Playoff fees in SC
 

In South Carolina, an official gets $62 plus travel for one playoff game and $85 plus travel for a playoff doubleheader. The higher seeded team hosts the first three rounds. When the initial brackets come out, girls and boys are not scheduled to play on the same night. However, what happens sometimes is a school that's hosting a girls and boys playoff game will ask the SCHSL to move one of the games such that the girls and boys play back-to-back on the same night. As a result, the SCHSL sends only one crew of officials to the sight, and the officials receive the fee for a doubleheader rather than two separate games, which obviously is less.

Fair or foul?

What I think is unimportant. Thankfully working 2 games here pays twice what working 1 game pays.

FOUL!!

I can see paying only one travel fee for a double header. I could even see paying a little less for the 2nd game since there are other efficiencies in doing a double header. But, to pay less than 1/3 as much for the 2nd game as the first is just criminal.

Why in the world would anyone think a crew working two playoff games in the same night is a good thing? Let alone both genders in the same night?

Peace

I'm also willing to bet, that the girls play the first game, and after you've run the floor for four quarters, then you run for boys varsity.

Foul also. That's $42.50 per game. We get $45 for junior high games.

This is SOP in South Carolina, public and private schools. Crews almost always work a girls/boys doubleheader during the regular season, and even during regular season tournaments it's almost always doubleheaders. In the postseason, the SCHSL assigns doubleheaders whenever possible based on the brackets. And I think that's true up until the state semifinals, where we go to one crew per game.

I wish I didn't have to work doubleheaders or girls basketball in general, but that's just not the way it goes in this state.

Yes, the girls play first whenever it's a DH.

$85 for a playoff double header sounds insulting.

Bit rough there.

Ohio does sectional,districts,regional then state sites.

Only one game a night and your not allowed to do any other contest during the same day as a tournament aassignment.

To determine whether or not this is a fair rate, I would need to know what you get during the regular season.

I can tell you that my area is $78 for regular season (2-man) and about $95 (2-man) for playoffs. Those are single game fees. There is no reduction for DHs.

3-man playoffs is about $70.

I understand this but it does not seem fair to the players to have officials working both games. I am sure there are officials like there are officials in my area that when they work two games take a break or do not give the same effort to both games equally because they have to work both games. I just think that is a silly model. And your comments make it clear that you like others might not care about one of the games as much as the other. To me give games to different officials and I am sure that is not impossible if you scheduled it correctly.

Peace

Varsity fees in SC are $55 for a single regular season game and $78 for a DH. This is the game fee only, not the travel allowance which is included in the same check ($0.45 per mile per official, minimum $9.00).

That's ridiculous. $23 for a varsity game. Likely they're using the "you're already there" reasoning which is complete BS.

Many things we do in SC are silly. It's why a lot of officials in my area work college ball or cross the border to work in Georgia. Which makes the powers that be upset :rolleyes: .

GA is that much better? Granted, I lived there 15 years ago but I don't remember the fees being great. I also remember working split DHs in the playoffs (i.e., 4 games at a site, one crew worked games 1 & 3, the other worked games 2 & 4). For the fees at the time it really wasn't worth it financially to only work one game.

Missouri uses a zone chart for district and state playoff games and pays a flat fee. For example, if you live between 0-40 miles from the game site there is a flat fee for that zone. If you live 41-80 miles away, the fee steps up to another flat rate, and so on. It is not quite as much as we make in the regular season, but it's close. The rates go up the further you go in the state playoffs.

I'll make a $78 flat rate for a sectional (first round of playoffs after district tournaments) that is about 15 miles from my house.

I can't comprehend how any location could pay less for a playoff game than a regular season contest.

Sometimes regular season game fees are set locally while playoff game fees are set at the state level.

So if one locale has higher fees than another within the state, the playoff fee might be some "average" of those two (and all other locales), and the officials from the higher-paying locale will make less during the playoffs than during the regular season.

To the OP, if the regular season rate is 2 for $78 and the playoffs are 2 for $85, then that seems consistent. I'm not sure if you're complaining about the rate or that it was originally set as two separate dates and is now combined.

Yep. Our association negotiates game fees and mileage rates with the schools we serve. The state governing body doesn't set rates with schools for regular season games, only district/playoff rates.

This.

Here we work two games (boys and girls) every night. Regular season and playoffs. The only time we don't is during the state tournament. At that time you just work 1 game, and these are 2 man crews with the exception of the highest 2 classes.

$90 for 2 games plus mileage for first 2 rounds. $110 for third round. $65 per game at state tournament. Regular season games is $120/2 games no mileage. Some schools pay $130, some pay $110. We have no set regular season fees, the schools can pay whatever they want. I've had some 3 man games and received anywhere from $100 to $130 for two games.

You guys are getting hosed.

I usually get paid around $60-70 dollars for a single varsity 3 person game and only one game. I get paid more for a college game than you would get paid for two high school games.

I am so glad that our state does not like that model for varsity games. The only way would would work a state playoff game double header is if someone is hurt and we happened to be there to cover the game.

Peace

We get about $53 for a 3-person here in Oregon. $63 for a 2-person.
Do 2 games get 2x pay.

Sub-rounds in playoffs which are all 2-person currently get a $5 bump.
Championship rounds which are all 2-person get a $10 bump.

Is Oregon taking well to 3-person?

In Michigan we generally do pay less for a second game of a double header in most sports for regular season play. We generally don't have the same crew work both games of a playoff round (we go districts, regionals, QF, SF, Final).

The districts often have a night or two of two games per night. In basketball it is generally a different crew for each night. Volleyball it is the same crew. For the regional semi-finals it is the same as two game night districts. Each crew works one game. The rest of the bracket is single games, so each crew only works one game. The only exception is the state finals, which have all 4 classes on the same day, but each crew works only 1 game.

For post-season play the MHSAA does not pay mileage until you reach a certain distance from home. After that distance they do pay a mileage rate.

The rates for post-season are similar, if not less than what schools pay during the regular season.

Michigan (for the regular season) is different than many other states. In many states, there is a set fee paid by each school to officials all across the state. In Michigan it differs based on the conference, school, or association agreed rate.

For example, in swimming and diving, I work two difference conferences. One pays $55 for a dual meet, the other pays $50, and neither pay mileage. A third conference pays $45, but they also pay extra for exhibition heats, which is something my conferences don't pay. None of them pay mileage. The MHSAA sets the fees for post-season contests across the state.

It has varied.

I think we tried to bring too many people into 3-person all at once....the R's have been 3-person experience but the other two often are new at it. Some have picked it up fairly well while others havn't. As a result, there have been a couple crews I've been on that really struggled

One official can really mess things up by forcing the others to try to figure out where they need to go to make sure the play gets covered.

I've also been on several where it has been great to have the 3rd....where there are plays that you know were covered better because of that extra angle you could defer to on some plays.

My experience is that you can do well with 2 people who have experience and a newer person, but that 1 strong official can't really compensate for 2.

I love it, though. 44th varsity game tonight and I've done all 44 3-person this year.

Unfortunately the whole State has not adopted it. I'll say that at least in my area, the player, coaches, and athletic directors love it.
The officials that have struggled are the same ones that haven't adapted to new rules over the years. A little stubborn in the old ways of everything. The key with the new people to 3-person was just get them to relax and referee and worry about the positioning later. I think we'll see a lot of people that have never gone to camps, do so this year.

I've posted this before............

Just for comparison, in North Dakota, our fees are:

Class A Basketball (18 min halves): Varsity $73.50 - Soph/JV $40.50
Class B Basketball (8 min quarters): Varsity $71.50 -Soph/JV $40.50
Freshman: $35
7th-8th Grade: $30

**Rates are the same whether it is 2 or 3 person crews. Nearly all varsity games are 3 person crews.

**Mileage: Our state pays the state rate of $.54 per mile for the driver. Any round trip over 100 miles includes $.05 per mile for the riders.

** Playoff Fees:
Class B Region $79.50
Class A Region $82
Class B State $94
Class A State $97.50
Meal Allowance:
Home officials: $8 (Region) $12 (State)
Away officials: $15 (Region) $28 (State)

Lodging also provided by the NDHSAA dependent upon game times and travel distance. Typically over 75 miles they put you in a hotel room rather than pay mileage back and forth each day.

I agree. One new official to 3-person can be carried comfortably. Two, for me, is nearly impossible.