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UNIgiantslayers Sat Feb 13, 2016 09:27pm

Do you have a T here?
 
End of half, A1 takes buzzer beater right in front of me. He's just across half court, table side, I'm the T. No contact so I have nothing. Crowd is calling for a foul but if defender got anything, he barely got ball. A1 is incredulous that no foul was called and walks past me on way to locker room and laughs in my face. I whacked him. Too thin skinned?

BryanV21 Sat Feb 13, 2016 09:44pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 980794)
End of half, A1 takes buzzer beater right in front of me. He's just across half court, table side, I'm the T. No contact so I have nothing. Crowd is calling for a foul but if defender got anything, he barely got ball. A1 is incredulous that no foul was called and walks past me on way to locker room and laughs in my face. I whacked him. Too thin skinned?

Not at all.

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BlueDevilRef Sat Feb 13, 2016 09:45pm

Seems to me it was justified. No place for a child to try to show you up.

deecee Sat Feb 13, 2016 09:47pm

Reasonable.

Nevadaref Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:07pm

Whack.
Don't tolerate disrespectful behavior.

Dad Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:14am

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 980797)
Seems to me it was justified. No place for a player to try to show you up.

Fixed. I'm calling this at any level.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:47pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 980972)
Fixed. I'm calling this at any level.


When a "player" of high school age acts like a "child" then he/she should be punished for his/her child like bad behavior. And when a "player" who is an adult (and I have had a few college players in my time) acts like a "child" then he/she should also be punished for his/her child like bad behavior.

When I lived in Glendale, California, many many years ago. I whacked a player in a women's jr. college player for child like behavior. She drove the lane bouncing off defenders who had LGPs and threw up an off balance layup which did not go in the basket. She through a temper tantrum, stomping her feet and waving her arms, while yelling that she was fouled (her coach pretty much was doing the same thing in front of the bench). The player (remember, she was in college and therefore and adult) reminded me of a five year old throwing a temper tantrum because her parents said "no" to a request she had made. So if the shoe fits......

MTD, Sr.

Dad Mon Feb 15, 2016 01:02pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 980989)
When a "player" of high school age acts like a "child" then he/she should be punished for his/her child like bad behavior. And when a "player" who is an adult (and I have had a few college players in my time) acts like a "child" then he/she should also be punished for his/her child like bad behavior.

When I lived in Glendale, California, many many years ago. I whacked a player in a women's jr. college player for child like behavior. She drove the lane bouncing off defenders who had LGPs and threw up an off balance layup which did not go in the basket. She through a temper tantrum, stomping her feet and waving her arms, while yelling that she was fouled (her coach pretty much was doing the same thing in front of the bench). The player (remember, she was in college and therefore and adult) reminded me of a five year old throwing a temper tantrum because her parents said "no" to a request she had made. So if the shoe fits......

MTD, Sr.

I just find the arbitrary terms to define someone's attitude, kid or an adult, are arbitrary and borderline stupid. Show me a HS freshman game where the players act worse than a men's wreck league. Players will act like a clown or they won't, I really don't see why an age group should be attributed to them.

I've never seen the connection between being older and having a better attitude. In fact, bad parenting aside, I'd say adults have more clown-ish behavior than kids.

ODog Mon Feb 15, 2016 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 980995)
Show me a HS freshman game where the players act worse than a men's wreck league ...

In fact, bad parenting aside, I'd say adults have more clown-ish behavior than kids ...

100% agree. NOTHING is worse than the antics of men's league basketball. Truly disgraceful and pathetic.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Feb 15, 2016 01:08pm

Easy T here.

Do you shoot the FTs before everyone goes to the locker room, or after they come back??

Dad Mon Feb 15, 2016 01:15pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 981000)
Easy T here.

Do you shoot the FTs before everyone goes to the locker room, or after they come back??

End of half. Then T happened.

LRZ Mon Feb 15, 2016 01:17pm

I think this is situational. I have no problems calling technicals--some partners have called me Mr. T--but that is only one way to manage a game. If the player hasn't been a problem all game long, a stern cautionary word might be enough. In the OP's case, maybe, maybe not. It all depends on context.

JRutledge Mon Feb 15, 2016 01:49pm

We have a process to report these issues. I might just file a report if the T is not going to change the outcome of the game. Purely situational here.


Peace

Dad Mon Feb 15, 2016 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 981002)
I think this is situational. I have no problems calling technicals--some partners have called me Mr. T--but that is only one way to manage a game. If the player hasn't been a problem all game long, a stern cautionary word might be enough. In the OP's case, maybe, maybe not. It all depends on context.

Is this because you look like a badass or because you give techs?:D

biggravy Mon Feb 15, 2016 06:43pm

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 981002)
I think this is situational. I have no problems calling technicals--some partners have called me Mr. T--but that is only one way to manage a game. If the player hasn't been a problem all game long, a stern cautionary word might be enough. In the OP's case, maybe, maybe not. It all depends on context.

Maybe you shouldn't wear so many gold chains on the court ;)

UNIgiantslayers Mon Feb 15, 2016 07:04pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 981013)
We have a process to report these issues. I might just file a report if the T is not going to change the outcome of the game. Purely situational here.


Peace

End of first half.

Adam Mon Feb 15, 2016 07:06pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 981013)
We have a process to report these issues. I might just file a report if the T is not going to change the outcome of the game. Purely situational here.


Peace

How are you going to know if a T at halftime will affect the outcome of the game. ;)

JRutledge Mon Feb 15, 2016 07:06pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 981088)
End of first half.

Then what is the hold up? Give him a T and move on.

Peace

AremRed Mon Feb 15, 2016 07:19pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 981000)
Do you shoot the FTs before everyone goes to the locker room, or after they come back??

Shoot the FT's and give the ball to the offended team to start the 3rd, leave arrow as-is. Oh and the coach has to sit cuz a player is bench personnel during all intermissions and the tech is thus indirect.

Adam Mon Feb 15, 2016 07:29pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 981091)
Shoot the FT's and give the ball to the offended team to start the 3rd, leave arrow as-is. Oh and the coach has to sit cuz a player is bench personnel during all intermissions and the tech is thus indirect.

Good catch.

AremRed Mon Feb 15, 2016 07:52pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 981096)
Good catch.

Only cuz it happened to me last month and I fu˘ked the rule. :(

Adam Mon Feb 15, 2016 07:55pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 981100)
Only cuz it happened to me last month and I fu˘ked the rule. :(

That's how we learn a lot of these, unfortunately.


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