Rule 10-6-5
 

Trying to get a clear understanding of Rule 10-6-5 "A player shall not use the forearm and/or hand to prevent an opponent from attacking the ball during a dribble or when throwing for goal”.

A1 dribbling the ball, facing her basket, with her arm extended out, elbow bent, forearm in front of her, “protecting” the ball. No foul or violation if she is by herself. If B1, while guarding A1, tries to steal the ball, but cannot due to A1's extended forearm, but there is no contact, then no foul. If B1 legally attempts to steal the ball, and initiates contact with the extended forearm of A1, PC foul on A1.

Do I have this correct?

This is a HTBT situation. Sometimes that arm is out but not used to do anything. It really depends if you feel it actually was used to shield a player from the ball. Otherwise you call what you see and you could have a PC foul or you could have a foul on the defender. I just know that players with their arms out is common, but that does not mean in many cases they are not fouled first.

Peace

If I deem that her arm is out there to protect the ball, in violation of 10-6-5, then wouldn't all contact with that arm be a PC foul?

Only contact that hinders the opponent from performing normal offensive or defensive movements.

That said, watch the guys and gals who are getting the games you want to work; see if they're making this call.

Was this ever not a rule? (Like, in the past 15 years)? I was always taught to use my off-hand to protect while dribbling...

Yep...if it is enough to cause and advantage. Merely contact, no.

OK, got it - thanks!

Bad coaching has been around forever. ;)

It's been in the book for more than 15 years.

I think the emphasis should be on the word "use" in the rule -- which implies (to me) some sort of movement / action. It's not just "placing" the hand in a position which inhibits the defense.

I don't know about anyone else but the way the rule is written, a and generally read, and the way the OP poses the question, I've never seen it called. Ever.

Do you watch or officiate high school basketball? This is a pretty standard call with players using off-arm to gain an advantage.

Thinking about this play... they've even called it in the NBA. On players like Kobe, Wayde, etc. when attacking the rim. How have you not seen this?

Using the forearm to "clear a path" to the basket is called. At the youngest levels, many kids just stand there dribbling the ball using the forearm to protect the ball - sometimes with the encouragement of a parent or coach. Fouls are rarely called on the stationary dribbler who is protecting the ball with their forearm.

Younger level games are just officiated differently.

This, Dad, was what I was referring to. This play is not called at any level. Pushing off, of course is a PC foul. But just protecting a defender from attacking the ball is never called.

And because my books are at work....yes! Day off today!!!!, does anyone have case plays that would have it being called by the letter, just using the arm to prevent a steal attempt?

Guess I'm thinking about something else. I've seen it called without it being a push off, it's rare, but some players have "oh s***" moments when they see someone about to block their shot and throw up a hand/forearm to block it.

Just checked, nothing in the Case Book.

I'm an idiot. I tried to click on your blue font thinking it was a secret on how to read the casebook. I gotta get a life

What I'm talking about is when a dribbler blocks a defender from attacking the ball with their offhand. It is generally very subtle and contact is far from severe and so it's not seen as an advantage. That's why I was wondering if there was any case plays because the rule says nothing about severity or advantage. It simply says it's not allowed. I guess it has happened where a dribbler actually forcefully uses the arm to knock away an attempt to attack the ball but I've never seen it. I'd guess the oh crap moment you note above is prob more prevelant and more likely to be called.

Hey now, don't go stealing lines from that that intense fan in the third row with the baseball cap pulled down low on his eyes. (You know, the one who screams for 3 seconds when the offense takes and misses multiple quick shots.) :p

I know. It's frustrating as a parent. Y'all always miss that three second call no matter how much we try to help ya out on it.

The blue may be unnecessary, but as I was about to hit "post," I realized someone would think I was serious and derail this . . . I usually get to sit in the stands and laugh about the screaming on this at least once a game . . .