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VaTerp Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:31pm

Vid Request: Texas vs Oklahoma
 
Goaltending call at about the 11:00 mark of 2nd half. Missed call.

Good example of why we should not be trying to make these kind of calls from the L. This was my lesson learned from my game tonight where I had probably my worst call of the year with a foul on a clean block up top.

Leave this stuff to the outside officials!!

OKREF Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:39pm

It sure looks like they messed this up, and I'm a Horns fan.

JRutledge Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:40pm

When the game is over I will post the video.

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:05pm

The PC against Texas in the final 30 seconds would be an intriguing play to discuss. Not necessarily the merit of the call itself, but the timing of the whistle and where the L is looking when he decides to make the call.

JRutledge Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:14pm

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 980091)
Goaltending call at about the 11:00 mark of 2nd half. Missed call.

Good example of why we should not be trying to make these kind of calls from the L. This was my lesson learned from my game tonight where I had probably my worst call of the year with a foul on a clean block up top.

Leave this stuff to the outside officials!!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9HpEXBqAOgs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

It was close for sure. I also have no problem with the Lead calling this in transition the only time they should make this call. But it was close.

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:20pm

That is an excellent call. The ball is on the way down.
The Lead seems to have the best look too.

bas2456 Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 980111)
That is an excellent call. The ball is on the way down.
The Lead seems to have the best look too.

I agree the ball was on the way down.

White 11 may have gotten a piece of the ball on the initial shot block attempt. Does that change anything?

JRutledge Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:35pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 980103)
The PC against Texas in the final 30 seconds would be an intriguing play to discuss. Not necessarily the merit of the call itself, but the timing of the whistle and where the L is looking when he decides to make the call.

Here is your play.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/i-Rs0L4yl7g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

AremRed Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:40pm

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 980112)
I agree the ball was on the way down.

White 11 may have gotten a piece of the ball on the initial shot block attempt. Does that change anything?

No, it is still considered a try until the ball hits the floor or it is obvious that the ball will miss.

Great call, ball was on the way down.

OKREF Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 980112)
I agree the ball was on the way down.

White 11 may have gotten a piece of the ball on the initial shot block attempt. Does that change anything?

I thought that as well. The shot was blocked for sure.

AremRed Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:44pm

Good call on the PC. Timing is great, Lead watched the play start, develop, and finish and made a ruling on the final result. Sure the player sold it but this call is absolutely defendable by a supervisor which is really all that matters.

OKREF Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 980103)
The PC against Texas in the final 30 seconds would be an intriguing play to discuss. Not necessarily the merit of the call itself, but the timing of the whistle and where the L is looking when he decides to make the call.

Looks to me like the arm never extends, and the defensive player emblishes quite a bit. Did anyone else notice right after that, when OU called the timeout, the calling official heads right to the Texas bench? My first thought was why is he even engaging them at that time.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 980112)
I agree the ball was on the way down.

White 11 may have gotten a piece of the ball on the initial shot block attempt. Does that change anything?

The defender definitely hit the ball on the release. That doesn't make the try automatically over. The official would need to deem that the ball no longer has a chance to go into the basket. If that is the case, then the try would be over and any subsequent touch could not be GT, but could be BI.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:53pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 980119)
Good call on the PC. Timing is great, Lead watched the play start, develop, and finish and made a ruling on the final result. Sure the player sold it but this call is absolutely defendable by a supervisor which is really all that matters.

I agree that it is a good call, but I think that the timing of the whistle and where the official is looking when he decides to make the call is a problem.

I believe that it is obvious that the official waits until the try is released and on the way down towards the basket before making the decision that he needs to have a whistle. I'm convinced that the official felt that the player was going to score a basket to give his team the lead and because of that decided to have a whistle. If the player had passed to the corner or thrown up a wild shot which likely would have missed, I believe that the official would not have put a whistle on this action.

I don't find officiating in this manner defendable.

Raymond Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:01am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 980111)
That is an excellent call. The ball is on the way down.
The Lead seems to have the best look too.

That is goaltending. I thought so at real speed.

That said, that was an amazing block.

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