End of Game Procedure
 

Team A up by 10, A1 fouls B1 as time expires on a shot. No FTs to shoot as it has no bearing on game. Are you still going to table to report the foul and then ending the game? Or just simply ending the game and heading to the locker room?

What justification does an official have for just leaving? Maybe a safety situation such as the spectators rushing the court.
Otherwise, the rules state to not attempt the FTs, not to ignore or fail to report the foul.

Did you meant: attempt the free throws and not to ignore or fail to report the foul?
I'm reporting the foul and shooting the free throws, unless there is a safety concern!
These points could have a bearing on tournament or district seeding and they sure could matter to the kid that was fouled.

Tournament or district seedings are not our concern. Free throws which do not impact the outcome of the game are not shot. As for reporting a foul, I probably wouldn't do that either.

I'm thinking the only reason to report a foul in that scenario is if it's flagrant (NF) or and F2 (NCAAW for me) since there's an automatic ejection attached. If it's a common foul there's really no purpose.

In my state we could file a Special Report for any flagrant act or ejection that is normally field on these kinds of situations. So I would see no purpose to actually report if we decided to eject a player for a foul near the end of the game. But something tells me if such an act took place that resulted in some ejection, there would be a lot more going on that would have to be dealt with.

Peace

I wouldn't report it. What's the point?

That's what I was thinking as well. If a kid gets an IF or FF at the buzzer there's going to be some crap to deal with that will keep us on the court.

Absolutely not. Not only is there no bearing on the game, but the rules clearly state to NOT shoot free throws that will not have an impact on the game.

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What was the point spread on the game and had you bet on it? :cool:

Better yet, why call it unless it was a very obvious foul?

You should be aware of the time on the clock. No need to call a foul unless it was very obvious and you want to reward free throws to a kid that maybe never sees the floor.

Disagree. Don't give up on the game just because the winner has been determined. Call the foul, if time expires while you do it, so be it.

In this situation, it was an obvious foul. I probably could have elaborated that it was a transition play as well so its not like everyone was sitting around waiting for the game to expire. In the order of play, it went shot, foul, whistle and within a half second the horn went off. I would hate to be on the other end of situation like that where the clock operator anticipated a foul, stops the clock and now you got nothing. Or even better yet, not realize there was actually 3 seconds left on the clock and not call anything, meanwhile the ball goes out of bounds and you have really compounded the issue.


I am not really arguing the merit of "calling a foul" merely asking whether you would go report this to the table or simply call it ball game and head off to the locker room.

Clock operator anticipating a foul? I've never noticed this happen when I didn't have a whistle.

If there's time on the clock play it out like any other foul during the game. If it's the end of the game I really don't think it matters and it's personal choice. I've done everything from showing a foul and then saying game over to just reporting the foul. Really depends on what's going on.

We're not supposed to shoot FTs if it doesn't change the outcome of the game. I'm doing it the same way ever time to not give a team an advantage over another. Changing the rules to help a team for point differential on post season is hurting whatever team they are tied with.

Not that it matters in this context where the result wouldn't be affected, but if the referee is aware of half second from whistle to buzzer, wouldn't that be definite knowledge that, by strict application of the rules, would require the time to be put back on the clock -- and thereby result in the FTs being taken?

Only if someone looks at the clock before the horn. You don't only need definite knowledge that "something" should be added, you need at definite knowledge of an amount of time (even if it's partial).

So if there is a little touch foul or perhaps a small pushing foul on a rebound with about 2 seconds left, you would call that?

Sorry, but I'm not going to do that. Unless the other person was severely fouled and it was very noticeable, I'm not calling that and we are getting out of there.

To each his own.

I know that pretty much every official in the area where I work, would just walk away and not report it.

I will call whatever foul takes place. If the clock runs out, it runs out.

Peace

Yes, I would call it.

But, if you change the wording to "So if there is a little touch or perhaps a small push on a rebound...." then I would not call it (regardless of the time left).

That's probably how I'd deal with it, too.

See bob's comments.

The way I'm picturing your description, I generally don't call those anyway. I'm going to call the fouls the same all game, but I may not actually report it if time expires as I call it.

A rebounding foul as time expires may get ignored with the same threshold I'd use to ignore a rebounding foul as a shot goes in or if the "fouled" player gets the rebound anyway.

I hear ya and understand where you are coming from.

Yes that is the point I was trying to make and I worded it poorly. I think we are in agreement.

This exact thing happened tonight. Recalling this topic on here, I moved quickly to reporting area from lead, white 14, push, no free throws, ballgame" team who was fouled on shooting foul was losing by 40 and I knew there was very little time left but it was a good foul. Coach wasn't happy but oh well. I did have to hurry my partner off floor bc he didn't know what to do.

Our escort came to locker room to say night and bring a water. Told us the coach has the kid shoot the free throws anyway after we left the floor.

Oh good grief.

I was accosted after a lower level girls game several years ago by a parent on the way out of the gym after having a shooting foul a hair before the buzzer went off. Her beef was that it wasn't fair to the girl that she didn't get her foul shots.

And Her Name Won't Be Added To The List On The Gymnasium Wall ...
 

Final game of her senior year and she ends up with 999 career points.

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That's what I said.

I heard the howler monkeys last night as I left the floor. Nobody ever personally approached me but I could hear it. Coach had no clue what the rule was either. Overall, it was a good learning experience on how to do it right and my partner for to see why it is important to get your butt off the floor.

Yep. Was it the home coach? I'll bet he instructed his scorer to give her credit for the FTs, too.

Even if that was the case, I'd care for exactly -1 seconds.

It was visiting coach. If he had made both, and if I'm his fantasy world they counted, score would have been 48-14

I'm guessing he made the home team wait on his shooter for the post-game handshake. What a piece of work.

Ha! I wouldn't know. I was in the locker room dressing out. But given his dissent to the ballgame being over, I can only agree with your assumption.