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WhistlesAndStripes Fri Feb 05, 2016 07:29pm

You make the call
 
First half. Boys varsity. NFHS rules.

A1 is shooting two free throws after being fouled. Attempts are being made at the end of the floor in front of B's bench. B1 goes over by the bench and someone hands him a water bottle. After the second FT, which A1 makes, B2 grabs the ball and takes it OOB for the throw-in. He throws it to B1, who catches it 1 handed while still holding the water bottle. B1 tosses the water bottle to one of his teammates on the bench.

What call, if any, do you make?

Please cite rule and/or casebook references to support your answer. I'm sure we will be discussing this play at our local association meeting on Monday night as it occurred during a game I was working earlier today.

Adam Fri Feb 05, 2016 07:50pm

Pretty sure there's no rule against this.

BlueDevilRef Fri Feb 05, 2016 09:04pm

I suppose since this isn't a time out and there wasn't water on the floor.........this couldn't be a DOG warning. Guess it would just be something to get direction from assn or state office. Let us know what your assn thinks, be interesting to know

crosscountry55 Fri Feb 05, 2016 09:35pm

I would be laughing as I transitioned up the court. And not calling anything.


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BlueDevilRef Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:03pm

Did he offer you a drink? It's hard work chasing these young ins around

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 979773)
Did he offer you a drink? It's hard work chasing these young ins around


I agree. It is only an infraction of the rules if I am not offered my own bottle of ice cold water. :p

MTD, Sr.

Nevadaref Sat Feb 06, 2016 04:15am

Whack. Assess a technical foul for bringing an object onto the court during game play which could pose a safety hazard. This falls under unsporting behavior.
Players can't just grab anything they wish from someone on the bench during the game. Some items just aren't appropriate for the court and can't be permissible. To make the point more clearly, substitute a pair of scissors for the water bottle and say that the player desires cut tape off his wrist because it is wrapped too tightly.

crosscountry55 Sat Feb 06, 2016 05:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 979789)
Whack. Assess a technical foul for bringing an object onto the court during game play which could pose a safety hazard. This falls under unsporting behavior.

Players can't just grab anything they wish from someone on the bench during the game. Some items just aren't appropriate for the court and can't be permissible. To make the point more clearly, substitute a pair of scissors for the water bottle and say that the player desires cut tape off his wrist because it is wrapped too tightly.


You don't like employing judgment, do you? Seems like anything unusual you observe gets binned under unsporting behavior.

At worst I'm telling the coach, "hey that was kinda funny but next time please have your bench get the water bottle back before the ball is live."


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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Feb 06, 2016 08:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 979789)
Whack. Assess a technical foul for bringing an object onto the court during game play which could pose a safety hazard. This falls under unsporting behavior.
Players can't just grab anything they wish from someone on the bench during the game. Some items just aren't appropriate for the court and can't be permissible. To make the point more clearly, substitute a pair of scissors for the water bottle and say that the player desires cut tape off his wrist because it is wrapped too tightly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 979791)
You don't like employing judgment, do you? Seems like anything unusual you observe gets binned under unsporting behavior.

At worst I'm telling the coach, "hey that was kinda funny but next time please have your bench get the water bottle back before the ball is live."


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CrossCountry:

I think that Nevada was being sarcastic.

MTD, Sr.

crosscountry55 Sat Feb 06, 2016 08:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 979794)
CrossCountry:



I think that Nevada was being sarcastic.



MTD, Sr.


If so, he forgot to use blue ink! [emoji12]


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Raymond Sat Feb 06, 2016 08:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 979794)
CrossCountry:

I think that Nevada was being sarcastic.

MTD, Sr.

No he wasn't.

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AremRed Sat Feb 06, 2016 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 979797)
No he wasn't.

Yep, I'm with BNR.

Adam Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 979789)
Whack. Assess a technical foul for bringing an object onto the court during game play which could pose a safety hazard. This falls under unsporting behavior.
Players can't just grab anything they wish from someone on the bench during the game. Some items just aren't appropriate for the court and can't be permissible. To make the point more clearly, substitute a pair of scissors for the water bottle and say that the player desires cut tape off his wrist because it is wrapped too tightly.

The problem is that this isn't a pair of scissors.

I've said this in another forum; I'll say it here.

If you have to stretch a rule that thin in order to make a call that will get you in the papers, it's probably best not to make that call.

Calling this unsporting is dumbing down the definition of unsporting to the point where it could literally apply to anything.

A Pennsylvania Coach Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 979789)
Whack. Assess a technical foul for bringing an object onto the court during game play which could pose a safety hazard. This falls under unsporting behavior.
Players can't just grab anything they wish from someone on the bench during the game. Some items just aren't appropriate for the court and can't be permissible. To make the point more clearly, substitute a pair of scissors for the water bottle and say that the player desires cut tape off his wrist because it is wrapped too tightly.

Allow me to apply some reductio ad absurdum to your argument. Substitute a gun for the scissors. And you are only assessing a technical foul and allowing the player to remain in the game?!??!!?

BillyMac Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:26am

Whack Takes On A Different Meaning ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach (Post 979809)
Allow me to apply some reductio ad absurdum to your argument. Substitute a gun for the scissors. And you are only assessing a technical foul and allowing the player to remain in the game?

Back to reality. Substitute towel for gun.


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