What would you do?

[Terrapins Fan]

Had an incredible game last night, girls varsity. Neighboring teams from different counties very competitive with one another. Game goes back and forth and back and forth. 5 points at halftime for the home team. Visitors come back tied it up. we go over time.

In the overtime it is tied with 11 seconds to go, visitors have the ball. I have a girl on the baseline, visitors best player, shove the defender with both hands to gain an advantage. I called the team controlfile we go the other way. Coach goes ballistic says I should never make a call like that with 11 seconds to go in the game. Fans join in and say you can't make that call with 11 seconds to go.

Thoughts.

Home scores a 2. Visitors have 1 last chance with 4 seconds to go in front court after a timeout. Pass the ball around the arc and launch a desperation 3 to no avail.

[Terrapins Fan]

Just for clarification, the push with both hands was full extension of the arms. Separation of about 3 to 4 feet.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Had an incredible game last night, girls varsity. Neighboring teams from different counties very competitive with one another. Game goes back and forth and back and forth. 5 points at halftime for the home team. Visitors come back tied it up. we go over time.

In the overtime it is tied with 11 seconds to go, visitors have the ball. I have a girl on the baseline, visitors best player, shove the defender with both hands to gain an advantage. I called the team controlfile we go the other way. Coach goes ballistic says I should never make a call like that with 11 seconds to go in the game. Fans join in and say you can't make that call with 11 seconds to go.

Thoughts.

Home scores a 2. Visitors have 1 last chance with 4 seconds to go in front court after a timeout. Pass the ball around the arc and launch a desperation 3 to no avail.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Just for clarification, the push with both hands was full extension of the arms. Separation of about 3 to 4 feet.

Based upon your description you probably had a good case for an IPF. That said, you had at least a TCF and you got it.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I sure do miss Neil Brayton playing for Maryland in Cole Fieldhouse.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Coach goes ballistic says I should never make a call like that with 11 seconds to go in the game. Fans join in and say you can't make that call with 11 seconds to go.

Citation please.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Citation please.

Citation for what????

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Citation for what????

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Citation for what????

Where the rules book says that it's not illegal to shove players with 11 seconds left in a close game.

I never have grasped the school of thought that there shouldn't be any rules at the end of a close game.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Where the rules book says that it's not illegal to shove players with 11 seconds left in a close game.



I never have grasped the school of thought that there shouldn't be any rules at the end of a close game.

+1. Last two minutes of a close game you might shift to a mindset of "high certainty" or some other mental framework like that. But two-hand shove with 3-4 feet of separation? Sounds like high certainty to me! Great call. Hope you sold it like a Persian rug peddler.

Earlier in the year I was T and V1, down by two with 3 seconds left gets off a 3-pt from the corner. As an airborne shooter he gets bowled over by an over-eager H1. I guess I wasn't supposed to make that call based on Coach Logic?


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[JeffM]

I don't disagree with previous comments....

but, I have heard on many occasions not to make a call at the end of a game that you haven't made up until that point.

It sounds like the situation described in the OP was egregious enough that it deserved to be called.

I think the officials did let the players decide by not whacking the coach which also would have been justified.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Coach goes ballistic says I should never make a call like that with 11 seconds to go in the game.

I usually respond with something like '#14 shoved her with two hands, full extension." (be very specific here) "She left me with no choice."

Or, "You'd want that called if it was the other team who did it."

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I usually respond with something like '#14 shoved her with two hands, full extension." (be very specific here) "She left me with no choice."

Or, "You'd want that called if it was the other team who did it."

As I went past her bench, I did say, "push both hands, full extension". She was very close to a T as she had come on to the floor to yell at me, my partner intercepted her and walked her back to the bench. The side lines on that floor are almost non existent. 3 feet max and a wall. No stands on bench side. Great game. My 3rd OT of the year with 4 others games within 3 points. I am having a fun season.

I read here a lot, I just don't get to post too much. I have 10 games this week. 2 V tonight.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

As I went past her bench, I did say, "push both hands, full extension". She was very close to a T as she had come on to the floor to yell at me, my partner intercepted her and walked her back to the bench. The side lines on that floor are almost non existent. 3 feet max and a wall. No stands on bench side. Great game. My 3rd OT of the year with 4 others games within 3 points. I am having a fun season.

I read here a lot, I just don't get to post too much. I have 10 games this week. 2 V tonight.

It worked for you, but those comments rarely work for me. Your partner did a great job, it sounds like.

If I had said anything to the coach, "Two handed shove, coach, I had to decide between TC and IF. Take the win." I would have only done that if I had the time to do so calmly.

It probably would have got me in trouble, though.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

As I went past her bench, I did say, "push both hands, full extension". She was very close to a T as she had come on to the floor to yell at me, my partner intercepted her and walked her back to the bench. The side lines on that floor are almost non existent. 3 feet max and a wall. No stands on bench side. Great game. My 3rd OT of the year with 4 others games within 3 points. I am having a fun season.

I read here a lot, I just don't get to post too much. I have 10 games this week. 2 V tonight.

In a tight game, why did you say anything as you passed the bench. You knew it would illicit a response. Full extension.....50% extension, who cares ???

Just make your call and go on......

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

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In the overtime it is tied with 11 seconds to go, visitors have the ball. I have a girl on the baseline, visitors best player, shove the defender with both hands to gain an advantage. I called the team controlfile we go the other way. Coach goes ballistic says I should never make a call like that with 11 seconds to go in the game.....

I usually respond with something like, "if it didn't gain her an advantage, why did she do it?"

[BatteryPowered]

I had a similar comment last night. Coach says "Let the players decide it" not really directed at anyone as it was the next trip down the floor. I took the opportunity to respond with "And you player decided to commit a foul. That's on her."