What a night
 

So Saturday night was our school's homecoming night.I guess I needed Pagett cause my JV girls game went dobule OT :eek: ;). The other 3 games all came down to the wire also.One thing I want to ask the wise sage's of the board-visiting varsity boys coaching staff asked me for the names of the officials so they could write a complaint to the area assignor.I refused and told them to talk to their AD who can pull the names from Arbiter.
Right move? Wrong move? No opinion?

Also how long is too long to pull the trigger on a bench technical foul? On several occasions (nearly a dozen) the entire visiting coaching staff (this guy had 4 assistants) were up yelling at the officials about foul calls and such.

You did the right thing by referring them to the AD.

As far as the bench technical, the first time I hear something from an assistant, I'm inclined to tell the HC to take care of his bench. The second time, I whack without hesitation. And if the first comment is bad enough, I'll whack without warning. There's no way I'm listening to a group of 4 ASSistants for ANY length of time.

My quote to a HC last week: "Coach, I will listen to you... (pointing to assistant) I will not listen to him"

AC didn't say anything after that... I only wish I'd have said it earlier.

Agree..

First time I see this, I'm warning the HC (unless it's really bad).

After that, it's a T the very next time.

Guys & Gals, let's theorize for a moment on the potentials in this type of situation - this could be fun!

HC has been warned, then more than one assistant subsequently stands and yells at the officials about a call. You can clearly identify which assistants stood.

By rule, how are you going to handle this?

The names should be in the scorebook. No reason for them to not have access to what is in the scorebook.

I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but I think I've got the basic gist.

By rule, you call a direct technical on each assistant that stood and yelled at the officials. The HC is charged with an indirect T for each of these technicals. If the number of TFs on the Assistants is 3 or more, then the HC is going to be ejected. 2 FTs for each TF on an assistant. Then the ball to the other team at the division line opposite the table.

Yep, that's exactly what I was getting at......

But in reality this would only be the case if all 3 said something to earn a T, other wise I'm sticking one with a T. If it happens again I'm sticking one with a T again. I wouldn't dish out 3 T's here unless they each said "you're a @#$@# piece of @#$" or something to that effect. Then they are probably all gone, HC included. Game forfeit. I get to go home early. Not a bad finish actually.

My thoughts as well. I know here in my state, we are required to sign each teams books, as well as our ID number.

We never write our names in the scorebook, but the coaches have access to the Arbiter and who is assigned to their games by name and picture. That's how they can choose (during district play) to get different refs if they so choose.

I'm wondering why in the World did you put up with the assistants like that?

Maybe because.....SCalScoreKeeper....was the scorekeeper...:cool:

"When the fans leave the stands and all hell breaks loose, my job is done."

Deecee 2014 or 15. Still makes me chuckle. I can't remember which year you said it.

And that's not even with me complaining about the visiting bookkeeper-in this case a player from their JV girls team,cheering and screaming as they fought their way back from 14 down to take a lead before falling by 10.I always write the names of the officials in my book-we even announce the crew during pre-game ceremonies,so she had more than ample time to write them in.Since we are an Arbiter state and a school can see who is working them I felt no need to bail the kid out who didn't do their job.

A Rare Siting ...
 

Or the CHSEagle has landed.

Umm... Well... Yeah.

All hail my literacy rate!

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Please don't tempt fate!:eek:

Take a look at 10.4.4B and see if you change your minds.

The Devil Made Me Do It (Flip Wilson) ...
 

I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.

SCalScoreKeeper's thread title haunted me.

Guess what the link is and enjoy.

https://youtu.be/t3RqEl9s6NI

Yeah-it was amusing,and I had a club volleyball tournament to officiate the next morning too lol

Maybe.

If, as the casebook says, they're all doing the same thing at the same time in reaction to the same thing, then I'd assess a single bench technical which is also charged indirect to the HC. If, however, one ASSistant is yelling about a traveling call, and another ASSistant is at the same time yelling about a foul he thinks should have been called, I'm whacking them both individually, and charging 2 indirects to the HC.

Wrong rule - try 10.4.1.A

I think the point Adam is trying to make that is brought up in 10.4.4.B is the idea of "similar multiple infractions occuring at the same time." That's why I say if all 4 ASSistants are booing the same call at the same time, then I'll throw a single bench technical. But if they're all whining about different things at the same time, I'll whack them each individually and let the coach have an early shower.

Understood, and I don't necessarily disagree, but it's not real clear. Personally I don't believe in piling on unnecessarily and a single indirect to the HC would be OK, but is that supported by rule?

10-4-4 specifically applies only to when standing at the team bench is permitted, while 10-4-1 addresses unsporting conduct. Casebook 10.4.1.A specifically says: "In addition to charging a technical to the individuals in all cases, the technical foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach......."

So if all they do is stand, then 10.4.4.B would apply and you go with a single bench technical and indirect to the HC, though even that might be questionable per 10-4-1-e, but I wouldn't go there.

But if they gesture, comment or commit any other unsporting act listed in 10.4.1, then 10.4.1.A would apply, they all get T's, and arguably the HC could be charged with an indirect for each, but the rule/case doesn't specifically address multiple similar unsportsmanlike acts committed at the same time.

There are supporting arguments both ways, i.e penalties under 10-4-5 when team members leave the bench during a fight, but if they don't participate they all get flagrants but the HC only gets one indirect. Then again, under 10.4.1 if 3 players dunk in warmups, the HC gets 3 indirects and is gone.

Can we justify charging each ASSistant with a T for acts committed at the same time? Absolutely per 10.4.1.A. But can we charge only one resulting indirect to the HC as a result? Probably, but it's not real clear.