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BEAREF Tue Jan 26, 2016 01:48pm

Correctable Error - Situation?
 
Player A1 is fouled by B2.

Team A inbounds the ball and during their possession Team B steals a pass and drives to the other end and scores. Team A inbounds the ball and as they are bring the ball up court the table sounds the horn and lets the officials know that the previous foul by B2 was the 7th team foul and A1 should have been awarded a 1&1 bonus freethrow.

Is this a correctable error? Was it “caught” within the correct timeframe? How would it be enforced.

IAUMP Tue Jan 26, 2016 01:55pm

It is a correctable error, however no it was not caught in time. A retains possession of the ball for a throw in.

Dad Tue Jan 26, 2016 01:58pm

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Originally Posted by IAUMP (Post 978197)
It is a correctable error, however no it was not caught in time. A retains possession of the ball for a throw in.

Someone hasn't been reading their casebook!

BEAREF Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 978198)
Someone hasn't been reading their casebook!

Please post the applicable case play..

Smitty Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:11pm

It is not within the allowed time period to correct. The reason is that once Team B scored, that was the first dead ball after the error and that would have been the time limit when you could have corrected it. Once Team A inbounded the ball, it was too late to correct. I know this because it bit me in the ass last year...

Dad Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 978199)
Please post the applicable case play(s)..

There's a lot of case plays.
Change of possession so we know we are going POI. Free throws are done with no one on the line.

Step:

1) Foul was called

2) Error was made

3) Ball was made live(properly started)

4) Errors must be recognized by officials no later than during the first dead ball after the clock is properly started.

TL:DR(Kinda) One live ball. No second live ball. We can fix

Smitty Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 978203)
There's a lot of case plays.
Change of possession so we know we are going POI. Free throws are done with no one on the line.

Step:

1) Foul was called

2) Error was made

3) Ball was made live(properly started)

4) Errors must be recognized by officials no later than during the first dead ball after the clock is properly started.

TL:DR(Kinda) One live ball. No second live ball. We can fix

Wrong.

jpgc99 Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 978203)
There's a lot of case plays.
Change of possession so we know we are going POI. Free throws are done with no one on the line.

Step:

1) Foul was called

2) Error was made

3) Ball was made live(properly started)

4) Errors must be recognized by officials no later than during the first dead ball after the clock is properly started.

TL:DR(Kinda) One live ball. No second live ball. We can fix

How many times did the ball become dead after the error in the OP and before the error was discovered?

Dad Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 978204)
Wrong.

Yeah, you're right. Nevermind. -_-

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 978198)
Someone hasn't been reading their casebook!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 978206)
Yeah, you're right. Nevermind. -_-

So, tell us now who hasn't been reading their casebook? :p:D:p:D

Dad Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 978208)
So, tell us now who hasn't been reading their casebook? :p:D:p:D

:(

BEAREF Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 978202)
It is not within the allowed time period to correct. The reason is that once Team B scored, that was the first dead ball after the error and that would have been the time limit when you could have corrected it. Once Team A inbounded the ball, it was too late to correct. I know this because it bit me in the ass last year...

OK.. so let's say the table buzzed the horn immediately after the basket by B before A inbounded the all. At that time it would have been within the timeframe.

The enforcement would be to shoot the free throws with the lane cleared... resume play at point of interruption with Team A entitled to a throw in on the endline entitled to run the endline.

correct??

Dad Tue Jan 26, 2016 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 978210)
OK.. so let's say the table buzzed the horn immediately after the basket by B before A inbounded the all. At that time it would have been within the timeframe.

The enforcement would be to shoot the free throws with the lane cleared... resume play at point of interruption with Team A entitled to a throw in on the endline entitled to run the endline.

correct??

Mostly correct. It's not before the ball was in-bounded, but when the official judged the ball to be at the thrower's disposal.

deecee Tue Jan 26, 2016 03:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 978210)
OK.. so let's say the table buzzed the horn immediately after the basket by B before A inbounded the all. At that time it would have been within the timeframe.

The enforcement would be to shoot the free throws with the lane cleared... resume play at point of interruption with Team A entitled to a throw in on the endline entitled to run the endline.

correct??

The timeframe has to do with dead balls and live balls. Nothing to do with the time.

You have until the ball becomes live AFTER the first dead ball AFTER the error was made. The made basket causes the ball to be dead (so would a violation or foul). However the ball then becomes live once "at the disposal" of the new offensive team.

Say in your scenario I would be a bit liberal with "at the disposal" to fix an error. Your assessment is correct with how to adjudicate.

BigCat Tue Jan 26, 2016 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 978224)
The timeframe has to do with dead balls and live balls. Nothing to do with the time.

You have until the ball becomes live AFTER the first dead ball AFTER the error was made. The made basket causes the ball to be dead (so would a violation or foul). However the ball then becomes live once "at the disposal" of the new offensive team.

Say in your scenario I would be a bit liberal with "at the disposal" to fix an error. Your assessment is correct with how to adjudicate.

Time matters. Rule says must correct during first dead ball AFTER the clock has properly started. If in this Op the ball is handed to thrower in after the foul, ball becomes live. Say foul ocurrs while thrower in has ball. That makes ball dead. Hand ball to for new throwin. Ball live again. Original error still correctable because clock has not started.

Time is very important.


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