Incredibly Embarrassing Moment

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Hmmm ... interesting scenario. If there is no player/team control when the ball is at the disposal of the free-thrower when using the ROP procedure, wouldn't that mean that a timeout could not be granted? Only outcome ... violation.

No, the rule states that a team may be granted a time-out request made when the ball is at its disposal.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

No - think it through.....this was the first of two merited free throws...

Has been a while since I read op. Didn't realize it was first of two.

Originally Posted by Refhoop

Are you saying/asking that we take the ball from Team A's free thrower (the TCF nullifies the pending FT) and give it to Team B for a spot throw-in?

Yes I was asking that. I forgot the original scenario and didn't realize it was the first of two.

Originally Posted by Adam

What rule are you using to take away A's free throws?

I was thinking that a team control foul causes the ball to become dead. How can the free throw take place if the ball is dead?



Can the free throw still be scored if a team control foul has already happened?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I was thinking that a team control foul causes the ball to become dead. How can the free throw take place if the ball is dead?

Can the free throw still be scored if a team control foul has already happened?

No, it cannot. The ball becomes dead, now you have a false double foul. You simply clear the lane and then administer the FTs that were due before the foul followed by the penalty for the 2nd foul.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, it cannot. The ball becomes dead, now you have a false double foul. You simply clear the lane and then administer the FTs that were due before the foul followed by the penalty for the 2nd foul.

And since the second foul was a TC foul by the lane line, Team B gets the ball for a designated or non-designated end line throw in pending the outcome of the final free throw. 6.7 Situation B.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No, the rule states that a team may be granted a time-out request made when the ball is at its disposal.

I would agree with you, but as Bob and Adam point out, the way the rule is written, it doesn't say that the ball is at the disposal of the player on a free-throw.

4-12
ART. 2

A team is in control of the ball:

d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

And if that's the case, there's no team control either. If that premise is correct, how can a time-out be granted when using the ROP procedure for a free-throw? Good discussion for a different thread though, since that's a different topic.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

I would agree with you, but as Bob and Adam point out, the way the rule is written, it doesn't say that the ball is at the disposal of the player on a free-throw.

4-12
ART. 2

A team is in control of the ball:

d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

And if that's the case, there's no team control either. If that premise is correct, how can a time-out be granted when using the ROP procedure for a free-throw? Good discussion for a different thread though, since that's a different topic.

TC isn't an issue for granting a time-out.
It is never sufficient nor required (other than as a consequence of having met other requirements).

5-8-3
a. the ball is at the disposal or in control of a player or his/her team.
b. the ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified....

Requirement A does not require TC to be in place. In fact, the lone exception here seems to be the case where the ball is at the disposal of a FT shooter.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

I would agree with you, but as Bob and Adam point out, the way the rule is written, it doesn't say that the ball is at the disposal of the player on a free-throw.

No. It says that disposal does not create TC (on a FT). There is still disposal.