Swinging Elbows with contact

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by tnolan

man, i have a great chart for this that really helps and it will not let me upload it. i've tried everything!

two things to think about when "deeming excessive" are:
1. elbows swinging faster than torso, and
2. wind up, contact, follow through

in 1, if the elbows are swinging faster than the torso, then this is a "no exceptions" whistle....whether you have:
no contact - violation
below the shoulders contact - Intentional
above the shoulders contact - Flagrant

in 2, if you have two of the three, you can deem excessive.

I think you have this backwards. Elbows swinging faster than torso and contact above shoulders is intentional. Wind up, contact, and follow through above shoulders is flagrant.

[tnolan]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I think you have this backwards. Elbows swinging faster than torso and contact above shoulders is intentional. Wind up, contact, and follow through above shoulders is flagrant.

it's based on judgement of excessive.
If it's not excessive and above shoulders, then you have intentional, even if accidental. But if you have elbows swinging faster than torso, which is excessive, and contact above shoulders then you could go flagrant....in which you could also use the windup, contact, follow through.
To clarify, I wasn't using 2 separate ideals to determine foul...but rather both of them together.

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