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BryanV21 Wed Dec 30, 2015 05:35pm
Sorry... Auto correct. I meant he can risk a five second violation.

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Nevadaref Wed Dec 30, 2015 05:37pm
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 974604)
Ok. Then what's the question in this thread? Seems to me that if the ball accidentally hits the dribbler's leg it's a fumble, therefore the player can only pick up the ball and pass or shoot from there. Or I guess they can stand there and risk a choice serving violation.

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It may be an interrupted dribble, but it's definitely not a fumble.
Go review your definitions.

BryanV21 Wed Dec 30, 2015 05:38pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 974606)
It may be an interrupted dribble, but it's definitely not a fumble.
Go review your definitions.
Fair enough.

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bob jenkins Wed Dec 30, 2015 06:20pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 974583)
There is a rule prohibiting a dribbler from touching the ball twice between bounces.
Reference? I don't have my books handy, but I don't recall that.

so cal lurker Wed Dec 30, 2015 06:34pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 974616)
Reference? I don't have my books handy, but I don't recall that.
I believe he is referring to 15.2 "During a dribble the ball may be batted into the air provided it is permitted to strike the floor before the ball is touched again with the hand(s)"

That obviously can't apply to the hip/leg, however.

WhistlesAndStripes Wed Dec 30, 2015 06:57pm
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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 974618)
I believe he is referring to 15.2 "During a dribble the ball may be batted into the air provided it is permitted to strike the floor before the ball is touched again with the hand(s)"

That obviously can't apply to the hip/leg, however.
What ruleset are you pulling rule 15.2 from? My rulebook stops at rule 10.

so cal lurker Wed Dec 30, 2015 08:15pm
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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 974621)
What ruleset are you pulling rule 15.2 from? My rulebook stops at rule 10.
picky, picky, you want the RULE number as well as the section and article? :eek: Rule 4, definitions. 4.15.2. (See, this is what happens when a non-ref tries to use the rule book -- and y'all want coaches to do that :D)

Camron Rust Thu Dec 31, 2015 02:05am
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 974589)
Would we have a kicking violation if we deem the contact with the leg to be on purpose?

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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 974597)
why wouldn't we?
Not necessarily.

it is a violation for intentionally striking the ball with the leg. If the player throws the ball off of his own leg that isn't striking it with the leg any more than it is when a player throws the ball off of another player's leg.

Dad Thu Dec 31, 2015 02:16am
I call this maybe once a season. On a crossover or behind the back move sometimes a player will get it stuck on their shirt/leg/back etc. If the ball comes to a stop and they try to dribble again I'm blowing my whistle.

BryanV21 Thu Dec 31, 2015 06:17am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 974666)
Not necessarily.

it is a violation for intentionally striking the ball with the leg. If the player throws the ball off of his own leg that isn't striking it with the leg any more than it is when a player throws the ball off of another player's leg.
I did say it was done "on purpose", which is another way of saying "intentionally".

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Camron Rust Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 974678)
I did say it was done "on purpose", which is another way of saying "intentionally".

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No. That isn't the distinction I'm making.

Did the player strike the ball with the leg on purpose or did the player throw the ball onto the leg on purpose. That makes all the difference.


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