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JRutledge Sun Dec 13, 2015 05:33pm

The defender took like three steps before there was contact, for anyone to say he did not have time to change direction (which is not the rule) is really kind of silly.

This screen is legal all the way.

Peace

AremRed Sun Dec 13, 2015 05:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 972724)
If the contact took place at the point represented in this picture then I'd say illegal but the screener had enough time to correct himself and the defender had enough time to stop or change direction.

The screener in your picture is not legal. By the time he gets legal and contact does occur the time/distance requirement has not been met.

BlueDevilRef Sun Dec 13, 2015 05:51pm

Ugly/clumsy/hard contact is not an automatic violation or foul. This is just a hard screen in the backcourt.

Only "foul" here was the defenders teammates not calling out the pick.


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Rich Sun Dec 13, 2015 06:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 972713)
Illegal, I think the screener comes to a complete stop right before contact, which is not enough time/distance for how fast the defender is moving. Plus it's a bullshit play in the backcourt and I want to clean that up.


Horrible philosophy. Not surprising to me you'd spew this nonsense.

ODog Sun Dec 13, 2015 06:09pm

Late to the party here, but firmly in the Legal camp.

When I clicked on the thread with "Video" in the subject line, I thought, "Oh boy!"

Then after watching it, my reaction was, "How is this thread multiple pages?"

AremRed Sun Dec 13, 2015 06:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972729)
Horrible philosophy. Not surprising to me you'd spew this nonsense.

The part where I give my reasoning for why I don't think time/distance were met or the part about this being a cleanup/game management play? :D

Raymond Sun Dec 13, 2015 07:53pm

He doesn't have to be vertical when the strides start, just in the path. At time of contact he was legal: at the spot first and within his cylinder.

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Rich Sun Dec 13, 2015 08:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 972731)
The part where I give my reasoning for why I don't think time/distance were met or the part about this being a cleanup/game management play? :D

The latter.

JRutledge Sun Dec 13, 2015 08:30pm

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Someone is going to have to explain to me how much damn time are you supposed to be given? The defender takes like 3 steps before any contact. All that is considered illegal is what happens at the time of contact after you have been getting ready to set a screen. The screen was not blind either and had more than a normal step.

Peace

deecee Sun Dec 13, 2015 08:54pm

Legal.

crosscountry55 Sun Dec 13, 2015 09:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 972737)
The defender takes like 3 steps before any contact. All that is considered illegal is what happens at the time of contact after you have been getting ready to set a screen. The screen was not blind either and had more than a normal step.

+1. I like how you pointed out that the screen WAS in the visual field of the defender (contrary to some previous opinions). The fact that the defender chose to focus on something else in his visual field (the ball handler) does not make the screen blind.

Big fat no call here. Maybe even a push on the defender if the screener had been significantly displaced, but I'd try not to go there unless I had to.

Easy kind of call to get surprised by. These are the type that are really good to look at once in a while. You just might see it in your next game.

Dad Sun Dec 13, 2015 09:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 972747)
+1. I like how you pointed out that the screen WAS in the visual field of the defender (contrary to some previous opinions). The fact that the defender chose to focus on something else in his visual field (the ball handler) does not make the screen blind.

Big fat no call here. Maybe even a push on the defender if the screener had been significantly displaced, but I'd try not to go there unless I had to.

Easy kind of call to get surprised by. These are the type that are really good to look at once in a while. You just might see it in your next game.

Bravo!

Camron Rust Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 972727)
The screener in your picture is not legal. By the time he gets legal and contact does occur the time/distance requirement has not been met.

Unfortunately, that isn't what the rules require. He (his torso) was in the path in time...that is all that is required by the time/distance/screening rules. Everything else only matters at the time of contact. And even then, it might not be relevant.

Camron Rust Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972729)
Horrible philosophy. Not surprising to me you'd spew this nonsense.

Agree. Why clean up a legal and entirely legitimate play? Blame the defenders team for hanging their teammate out to dry.

APG Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:20pm

Legal. Didn't think it's that close either


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