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#olderthanilook Mon Dec 14, 2015 02:50pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 972846)
I hope your implication is because someone does not use the "for the kids..." line as their motivation or inspiration that they are not doing a good job? Is an official that works college or pro ball including but not limited to the NBA is doing this for the "kids?"

Peace
I'm talking about sub varsity/varsity ball.

There are a lot of "kids" playing collegiate and NBA hoops, but, those two worlds are far different than h.s. ball in terms of what I mean when uttering the phrase "for the kids".

JRutledge Mon Dec 14, 2015 02:57pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 972848)
I'm talking about sub varsity/varsity ball.

There are a lot of "kids" playing collegiate and NBA hoops, but, those two worlds are far different than h.s. ball in terms of what I mean when uttering the phrase "for the kids".
The point I was making, there are people that have aspirations beyond high school. Doing high school does not mean you are only concerned about that level or are trying to do a good job because of what they are currently working. Actually most of the time the officials I see that do the best job, do other levels because they care about their craft by paying money to be evaluated and want to take every opportunity at all levels to get better and be hired at other levels. I know a lot of high school guys that think they have arrived or want a lot of things handed to them because they live in a certain place or they work for a certain assignor. That is why your "for the kids" position is flawed.

Peace

Dad Mon Dec 14, 2015 02:59pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 972845)
I did not get involve in this for any other reason then I love sports and the sports I officiate and I am competitive to do the job correctly. Never has the "kids" really crossed my mind. I do this because it is fun and I would rather not coach. And I get paid so I would not do it for free.

That code of ethics has nothing to do with why we leave our home. There are other things we can do other than officiate and if the motivation is that narrow most of us would not do this at all. And just by the numbers we often lose, obviously there are people not finding the motivations in the right place to stay. This "It is all about the kids" crap gets on my nerves, certainly with the fact that I do not just do games with kids.

Peace
Motivation is that narrow? I don't know what you mean. Everyone has their own motivation for being an official.

As for "It's all about the kids," I just ignore the ambiguous statement. It's not like you're going to get a good answer asking someone what they mean.

I treat players/athletes in a professional manner. Most of the time at least, sometimes I can't resist telling a player/coach my opinion on their amazing play after they've given me their opinion on my call.

Rich Mon Dec 14, 2015 02:59pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 972848)
I'm talking about sub varsity/varsity ball.

There are a lot of "kids" playing collegiate and NBA hoops, but, those two worlds are far different than h.s. ball in terms of what I mean when uttering the phrase "for the kids".
I think it's presumptuous to think there's a right reason to work HS games. You work for your reasons and I'll work for mine.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Dec 14, 2015 03:15pm
How'd this thread go from talking about ejecting a fan to everyone's personal motiviation to be an official?

Rich Mon Dec 14, 2015 03:25pm
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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 972855)
How'd this thread go from talking about ejecting a fan to everyone's personal motiviation to be an official?
One can only start a thread. Where it ends up, it ends up.... :D

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Dec 14, 2015 03:26pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972856)
One can only start a thread. Where it ends up, it ends up.... :D
I thought that part of the administrators' responsibilities was to help keep a thread on topic, and redirect when needed, not become a part of the problem. :D

Rich Mon Dec 14, 2015 03:36pm
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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 972857)
I thought that part of the administrators' responsibilities was to help keep a thread on topic, and redirect when needed, not become a part of the problem. :D
Heh, right.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Dec 14, 2015 03:37pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972858)
Heh, right.
Is Brad around anymore?

JRutledge Mon Dec 14, 2015 04:19pm
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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 972851)
Motivation is that narrow? I don't know what you mean. Everyone has their own motivation for being an official.

As for "It's all about the kids," I just ignore the ambiguous statement. It's not like you're going to get a good answer asking someone what they mean.

I treat players/athletes in a professional manner. Most of the time at least, sometimes I can't resist telling a player/coach my opinion on their amazing play after they've given me their opinion on my call.
My only point was that whatever your reason is you officiate, it is your reason. I am not looking for an answer or even care why someone answers as long as they are doing something they enjoy and it is legal and moral. Other than that, I really do not care why someone officiates. Some official just to make money. Some officiate to stay in shape. Some officiate because they want to stay close to the sport and some officiate just because the want to get out of the house. All those things and more are fine by me.

Peace

mtn335 Mon Dec 14, 2015 04:40pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 972879)
My only point was that whatever your reason is you officiate, it is your reason. I am not looking for an answer or even care why someone answers as long as they are doing something they enjoy and it is legal and moral. Other than that, I really do not care why someone officiates. Some official just to make money. Some officiate to stay in shape. Some officiate because they want to stay close to the sport and some officiate just because the want to get out of the house. All those things and more are fine by me.

Peace

This, exactly.

I don't care what your motivation is, as long as you are interested in doing the best job you can do on a given night.

#olderthanilook Tue Dec 15, 2015 01:16pm
Good thoughts and comments.

Apologies to the OP for jumping off the main track! :D

Adam Tue Dec 15, 2015 01:26pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 972839)
I officiate for numerous reasons, and one of them is definitely "for the kids". I know plenty whose list doesn't include "for the kids" and it shows.
Exactly how does it show?

Adam Tue Dec 15, 2015 01:29pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 972845)
I did not get involve in this for any other reason then I love sports and the sports I officiate and I am competitive to do the job correctly. Never has the "kids" really crossed my mind. I do this because it is fun and I would rather not coach. And I get paid so I would not do it for free.

That code of ethics has nothing to do with why we leave our home. There are other things we can do other than officiate and if the motivation is that narrow most of us would not do this at all. And just by the numbers we often lose, obviously there are people not finding the motivations in the right place to stay. This "It is all about the kids" crap gets on my nerves, certainly with the fact that I do not just do games with kids.

Peace
I don't mind people saying they do it "for the kids" so much. I get a little salty when they start saying everyone needs to be motivated that way. Most I know are not.

#olderthanilook Tue Dec 15, 2015 01:38pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 972973)
Exactly how does it show?
Attitude and ego. Not to the same degree with everyone, but it can be detected. I'm so used to it, that I have no problem dealing with and adjusting to it. It just is what it is. I'm not in the business of changing people and their motivation for doing what they do. Those things take care of themselves w/o my help.


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