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Kansas Ref Tue Dec 08, 2015 01:14pm

'Non-compliance' as they relate to uniform/equipment policies will be a continual issue across the nation. As playing equipment evolves there will be more 'devices' that blur the distinction between "equipment" and "fashion accessories". All of which will need to be adjudicated upon to determine it's compliance. Back in the day when I played varsity hoop, no one ever wore arm sleeves (shooting sleeves) or ballerina leotards. But then again, I'm a dinosaur who used to wear those white puffy knee pads.

I just know that last week I did an 8th grade boys game we noticed during warmups that a player had on gray leotards when all other teammates were wearing black ones. My partner--who was more senior than I said that "since this is just 8th grade I'm not going to call them out on the color violation". I then replied to him, "well I think we should notify coach of this player's uniform non-compliance". He begrudgingly said "well, OK, if 'you' want to you can go tell the coach about it". This set us off on a sideways tone for the game because I know he viewed me as not wanting to follow his lead--I could sense that he was a bit miffed by my assertion. But, I thought of the bigger picture: somewhere in those stands there could be my Association evaluator --it could go downhill fast from there if he saw me kicking a rule, and then I attempt to rationalize it by saying "well, my partner said it was just 8th grade and not varsity so we let them play".
In the end, I told coach, and he had the player just take off the gray leotards.

BillyMac Tue Dec 08, 2015 05:38pm

A Catharsis ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 972029)
I would spend more time worrying about the shot clock or back court rules.

There's nothing to see here folks. It's just a crazy referee venting. Move along. Keep moving.

BillyMac Tue Dec 08, 2015 05:42pm

Or, Maybe The Players Are Trying To Get Away With Something ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 972028)
I just don't get why it is so hard for them to understand.

Maybe because the coaches don't tell their players the equipment rules (maybe because the coaches don't know the equipment rules, or don't fully understand the equipment rules).

And then, of course, there's the inconsistent enforcement issue, which has already been discussed above, and we all know who to blame for that.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." (Pogo, Walt Kelly, 1971)

BDevil15 Tue Dec 08, 2015 07:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 972028)
I just don't get why it is so hard for them to understand.

Read the whole thread and you might get why some coaches "don't understand"

Nevadaref Wed Dec 09, 2015 06:11am

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Originally Posted by BDevil15 (Post 972117)
Read the whole thread and you might get why some coaches "don't understand"

One of the best posts written on this forum in years. :)

UNIgiantslayers Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:39am

Our association made this adaptation (that I wasn't aware of until last night):
http://ighsau.org/wp-content/uploads...Adaptation.pdf

NFHS Basketball Rule 3-5 Team Member’s Equipment, Apparel
Modify Rule 3-5-3c to the following:
All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color.
Modify Rule 3-5-4 to the following:
a. Anything worn in the hair (including headbands as shown in Figure “C” below) must be soft and
unadorned but may be any color or multi-colored and do not have to match for all teammates. The 2-inch
maximum width provision for headbands will be waived, and headbands with extensions as shown in
Figure “A” below will be permitted.
b. Protective soft headgear as shown in Figure “B” below will be permitted provided the headgear is not
abrasive, hard, or dangerous to any other player and which is attached in such a way it is highly unlikely it
will come off during play.
c. Bobby pins 2” or less will be allowed.
d. Wristbands may be any color or multi-colored and do not have to match for all teammates, but must be
made of moisture-absorbing material.
e. Silicone and rubber bracelets, rubber bands, bandanas, etc., are illegal as they are not moisture-absorbing
or appropriate for the game of basketball.
NFHS Basketball Rule 3-6 Logo/Trademark/Reference
Modify Rule 3-6-1 to the following:
One visible manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference or school logo/mascot is permitted on the compression shorts,
arm and leg compression sleeves, and wristbands. Multiple manufacturer’s logos/trademarks/references and/or
school logos/mascots are permitted on the headbands as shown in Figures “D” and “E” below.


So now..... rather than the simple "everything the same for everybody," rule, it's headbands can be different, the ninja turtles are okay. Here's the annoying part-- 3-5-3c All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color. But wristbands can be multi colored and different colors for everybody, unless I'm reading it wrong.

I'm frustrated with our association's decision to make these changes.

WhistlesAndStripes Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:47am

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 972193)
Our association made this adaptation (that I wasn't aware of until last night):

http://ighsau.org/wp-content/uploads...Adaptation.pdf



NFHS Basketball Rule 3-5 Team Member’s Equipment, Apparel

Modify Rule 3-5-3c to the following:

All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color.

Modify Rule 3-5-4 to the following:

a. Anything worn in the hair (including headbands as shown in Figure “C” below) must be soft and

unadorned but may be any color or multi-colored and do not have to match for all teammates. The 2-inch

maximum width provision for headbands will be waived, and headbands with extensions as shown in

Figure “A” below will be permitted.

b. Protective soft headgear as shown in Figure “B” below will be permitted provided the headgear is not

abrasive, hard, or dangerous to any other player and which is attached in such a way it is highly unlikely it

will come off during play.

c. Bobby pins 2” or less will be allowed.

d. Wristbands may be any color or multi-colored and do not have to match for all teammates, but must be

made of moisture-absorbing material.

e. Silicone and rubber bracelets, rubber bands, bandanas, etc., are illegal as they are not moisture-absorbing

or appropriate for the game of basketball.

NFHS Basketball Rule 3-6 Logo/Trademark/Reference

Modify Rule 3-6-1 to the following:

One visible manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference or school logo/mascot is permitted on the compression shorts,

arm and leg compression sleeves, and wristbands. Multiple manufacturer’s logos/trademarks/references and/or

school logos/mascots are permitted on the headbands as shown in Figures “D” and “E” below.




So now..... rather than the simple "everything the same for everybody," rule, it's headbands can be different, the ninja turtles are okay. Here's the annoying part-- 3-5-3c All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color. But wristbands can be multi colored and different colors for everybody, unless I'm reading it wrong.



I'm frustrated with our association's decision to make these changes.


Why do these exceptions only apply to girls basketball??

And with a bunch of MEN interpreting the 2" Bobby pin restriction, you could end up with some rather LARGE 2" Bobby pins. [emoji3]

UNIgiantslayers Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 972195)
Why do these exceptions only apply to girls basketball??

And with a bunch of MEN interpreting the 2" Bobby pin restriction, you could end up with some rather LARGE 2" Bobby pins. [emoji3]

Good question. I'm really tempted to launch a passive-aggressive protest and not enforce any equipment rules (other than the hard materials), and tell the coaches they can email the association with their complaints.

Rich Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:58am

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 972195)
Why do these exceptions only apply to girls basketball??

And with a bunch of MEN interpreting the 2" Bobby pin restriction, you could end up with some rather LARGE 2" Bobby pins. [emoji3]

Because girls and boys are governed separately in Iowa. And apparently in a really weird way.

WhistlesAndStripes Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:03am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972200)
Because girls and boys are governed separately in Iowa. And apparently in a really weird way.


Ahhh, yes, do they still start a girls basketball game with a coin flip there in Iowa?


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UNIgiantslayers Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:05am

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 972201)
Ahhh, yes, do they still start a girls basketball game with a coin flip there in Iowa?


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Refhoop Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:23am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 971850)
Than you for caring coach, and for, at least, making an attempt to instruct your players properly. If all my local coaches would take the few minutes that you took to instruct their players, we wouldn't have as many of the fashion problems that we have.

Here are the rules in a nutshell:

Headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, and tights, shall be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, and the same color for each item, and all participants. Anything worn on the arm, and/or the leg (except a knee brace), is defined as a sleeve. Only a single item may be worn on the head (with no extensions), and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow. Rubber, cloth, or elastic bands, of any color, may be used to control hair. Undershirts must be similar in color to the uniform jersey, and shall not have frayed, or ragged edges.

(Note: I would rather not discuss compression shorts. The NFHS has really muddied the water on that piece of equipment.)

In a perfect world, the following would occur immediately after the head coach passes out the uniforms:

Setting: A high school locker room. Socks, and towels, are strewn around on the floor. There's a slight smell of perspiration in the air.

Coach: Our home uniform jerseys are white. If you want to wear an undershirt at home, it must be a white undershirt. As the coach I'm telling you now, that if you want to wear headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, or tights, I have unilaterally decided that they must be solid black. No other color choices. Period. Also, headbands can't have extensions, I don't want my players looking like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Capiche?

Players: Yes Coach.

Coach: Our road uniform jerseys are blue. If you want to wear an undershirt on the road, it must be a blue undershirt. As the coach I'm telling you now, that if you want to wear headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, or tights, I have unilaterally decided that they must be solid black. No other color choices. Period. Also, headbands can't have extensions. Capiche?

Players: Yes Coach.

And ... Scene.


And the church said: AMEN

Rob1968 Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:38am

Last night, I was U1, and during warm-ups, 2 players had black headbands, and one had white. I told the R that I would talk to them. When I talked to the girl with the white headband, she said she would talk to her teammates.
She came back, and said that one of the girls would take off her black headband, and the other would find a white headband - the girl I talked to was a team captain, and a senior.
Momentarily, I saw a girl helping tie a white headband, with 7 to 8 inch tails, for the girl who had removed the black headband. When I told them that the tails were not allowed, they asked whether they could just tuck them in. I explained that that wouldn't work, and they complied.
Then, they asked me why, and I told them that the HS Assn wants the emphasis to be on the team and not on a player for their unique way of dressing. And I said that, as officials, we are evaluated, and that I needed their help so an evaluator wouldn't eat me alive for not following the rules. They seemed quite willing to help me with that aspect.

It's girls' b-ball. And the fashion rules' responses all soooo predictable. . .

Nevadaref Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:33am

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 972197)
I'm frustrated with our association's decision to make these changes.

Time for your association to elect new leadership.

Sharpshooternes Fri Dec 11, 2015 06:53pm

I knew the tails weren't legal but reading through I can't see where it specifies that. Any help would be appreciated.


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