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grunewar Fri Dec 04, 2015 09:50pm

NBA – 12/4 - Phoenix vs Washington – DOG T (video added)
 
Wizards up 108-106 w/ Phoenix at the FT line w/ 8.8 secs left in 4th qtr.

Between FTs, the Wizards bring in Ryan Hollins (7 ft) to rebound in case Phoenix intentionally misses their last FT. Phoenix counters by bringing in Markeiff Morris (6’10”). As they are getting in position in the lane, Morris decides he wants to go to the other side of the lane. Holland follows. Morris now decides he wants to cross again. Hollins follows. Referees tell Morris to knock it off and get in position for the FT. Morris continues to try and switch sides after being warned. Referee Monty McCutchen has had enough of Morris’ shenanigans. He approaches the table, points at the Phoenix bench, gives them their second DOG for the game – Whack!

Washington misses FT anyhow but eventually wins the game.

Reminded me of the batter who kept changing sides on the ambidextrous pitcher…somehow, the official needs to take charge and end the craziness, and McCutchen (23rd yr) took care of business. :)

justacoach Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:37pm

NBA accountabiity website
 
The NBA has a publicly viewable website where they scrutinize plays that occur in last 2 minutes of every game (and complete overtimes) where margin is under 5 points at 2:00 minute mark. Includes pertinent videos.

Follow this link...
NBA Official

This policy started last March and archives exist back to that point.

HTH

grunewar Sat Dec 05, 2015 03:59pm

Thanks Coach, here it is.

Last Two-Minute Report | NBA Official

BillyMac Sat Dec 05, 2015 04:16pm

My Way (Frank Sinatra, 1969)
 
I don't know if my idea for handling this would be correct by the NFHS, but this is what I would do: Lowest table side space (defense), "Who want this? Fine. Don't move". Second lowest table side space (offense): "Who wants this. Fine. Don't move". Move over to other side and ask the same questions. Move up the lane if necessary. Any continued jockeying around would be a delay of game technical foul by first team to move from an "assigned" space.

10-1-5-B: A team shall not: Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play.

I'm grasping at straws here, but it's the best I've got.

Jay R Sat Dec 05, 2015 04:46pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 971745)
Thanks Coach, here it is.

Last Two-Minute Report | NBA Official

Monty was very patient. I assume because he did not want to T up a player in that situation. Took charge though. That's why he's one of the best.

Dad Sat Dec 05, 2015 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 971746)
I don't now if my idea for handling this would be correct by the NFHS, but this is what I would do: Lowest table side space (defense), "Who want this? Fine. Don't move". Second lowest table side space (offense): "Who wants this. Fine. Don't move". Move over to other side and ask the same questions. Move up the lane if necessary. Any continued jockeying around would be a delay of game technical foul by first team to move from an "assigned" space.

10-1-5-B: A team shall not: Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play.

I'm grasping at straws here, but it's the best I've got.

To be fair, I doubt you're going to have anything other than NBA doing this clown-fest. Handled well, imo.

Adam Sat Dec 05, 2015 05:18pm

I think the mindset is the defense should pick first since they have positional advantage.

Raymond Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 971749)
I think the mindset is the defense should pick first since they have positional advantage.

That's my approach and how I've handled it the 2 or 3 times it has been a problem.

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HokiePaul Mon Dec 07, 2015 02:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 971749)
I think the mindset is the defense should pick first since they have positional advantage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 971766)
That's my approach and how I've handled it the 2 or 3 times it has been a problem.

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I would have thought the other way -- wouldn't you allow the defense the opporitunity to match up against the player that they want in this instance? That seems to be how McCutchen approached it, otherwise he would have told the Wizards player to pick a spot.

Raymond Mon Dec 07, 2015 03:05pm

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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 971988)
I would have thought the other way -- wouldn't you allow the defense the opporitunity to match up against the player that they want in this instance? That seems to be how McCutchen approached it, otherwise he would have told the Wizards player to pick a spot.

You are right, that's what I meant. I misread Adam's post. Defense will get the last choice.

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so cal lurker Mon Dec 07, 2015 03:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 971988)
I would have thought the other way -- wouldn't you allow the defense the opporitunity to match up against the player that they want in this instance? That seems to be how McCutchen approached it, otherwise he would have told the Wizards player to pick a spot.

Is there anything in any of the rule books about who gets to choose? (I know baseball addressed the ambidextrous pitcher vs. switch hitter "problem" by making a specific rule about who has to choose first.)

bob jenkins Mon Dec 07, 2015 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 971992)
Is there anything in any of the rule books about who gets to choose?

No (NFHS, NCAAW, and, I think, NCAAM. Don't know NBA).

I (would) go from lowest spot to highest spot.

BillyMac Mon Dec 07, 2015 05:36pm

Pick A Spot ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 971993)
I would go from lowest spot to highest spot.

... because the defense has to be there (unless they're down to only one player) in the lowest spot. The offensive player in the second spot doesn't have to be there at all.


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