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Raymond Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRJ1960 (Post 971708)
Happened to me tonight.... THEN, on the "re-jump" (yes, I killed it and we started over), my partner calls a violation because a jumper tapped the ball twice (showed him the book at half time) ... it was a long night.
So you were out near my way this evening?

DRJ1960 Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:33pm
No... Prince George HS ...tournament

New Kent and Smithfield next week....

Raymond Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:06am
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Originally Posted by DRJ1960 (Post 971712)
No... Prince George HS ...tournament

New Kent and Smithfield next week....
Oh, so no long trip this weekend. Did you guys keep Prince George?

BillyMac Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:23am
Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRJ1960 (Post 971708)
... my partner calls a violation because a jumper tapped the ball twice (showed him the book at half time) ...
6-3-7-D: Neither jumper shall:
d. Touch the ball more than twice.

BillyMac Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:27am
Well, You'd Better Let Him Out !!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 971715)
Did you guys keep Prince George?
Do you have Prince Albert in a can?

BillyMac Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:52am
Odd Jump Ball Plays ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRJ1960 (Post 971708)
... my partner calls a violation because a jumper tapped the ball twice (showed him the book at half time).
Hijack alert: Regarding odd jump ball plays, a reminder to some of our new officials. If, instead of being tapped (actually) three times, in which case the clock should have been started on the first tap, which was legal; one of the jumpers caught the ball before it was tapped, or touched the tossed ball before it reached its highest point, and the clock operator incorrectly started the clock, the clock should be reset to 8:00 to start the game.

5-9-2: If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched.

6-3-7: Neither jumper shall:
a. Touch the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
c. Catch the jump ball.

Touching the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point, or catching the jump ball, are both illegal touches.

Dad Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:01am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 971724)
Hijack alert: Regarding odd jump ball plays, a reminder to some of our new officials. If, instead of being tapped (actually) three times, in which case the clock should have been started on the first tap, which was legal; one of the jumpers caught the ball before it was tapped, or touched the tossed ball before it reached its highest point, and the clock operator incorrectly started the clock, the clock should be reset to 8:00 to start the game.

5-9-2: If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched.

6-3-7: Neither jumper shall:
a. Touch the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
c. Catch the jump ball.

Touching the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point, or catching the jump ball, are both illegal touches.
And when does a jump ball end? ;)

BillyMac Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:07am
Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dad (Post 971727)
And when does a jump ball end?
4-28-3: The jump ball begins when the ball leaves the referee’s hand(s) and
ends when the touched ball contacts a nonjumper, the floor, a basket or
backboard.

Dad Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:19am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 971731)
4-28-3: The jump ball begins when the ball leaves the referee’s hand(s) and
ends when the touched ball contacts a nonjumper, the floor, a basket or
backboard.
I've seen this happen twice and was called a violation both times :(

Gutierrez7 Sat Dec 05, 2015 02:47pm
Whatcha gonna do?[/QUOTE]

I always enjoy reading all the discussions and having a venue to share experiences. Be careful on expressing or conducting an action based on "opinion" that is not backed by rule. The coach may then ask you, "based on your opinion mr./ms. official are we playing with 10ft rims or 8ft. You know my players can't dunk and the other team can and I don't think thats fair".

Raymond Sat Dec 05, 2015 02:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutierrez7 (Post 971743)
Whatcha gonna do?
I always enjoy reading all the discussions and having a venue to share experiences. Be careful on expressing or conducting an action based on "opinion" that is not backed by rule. The coach may then ask you, "based on your opinion mr./ms. official are we playing with 10ft rims or 8ft. You know my players can't dunk and the other team can and I don't think thats fair".[/QUOTE]

I'm lost on this post.

ODog Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:14pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dad (Post 971733)
I've seen this happen twice and was called a violation both times :(
Who was it called on?!

Dad Sun Dec 06, 2015 02:26am
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog (Post 971764)
Who was it called on?!
Jumper who caught the ball after it hit the floor.

so cal lurker Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:22pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 971724)

6-3-7: Neither jumper shall:
a. Touch the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
Does this actually get called? I know when I played I did this all the time when I knew I was jumping against someone who could out jump be -- and only got called once. Clearly (from the comfort of my seat in the stands) happened in a boys varsity tournament championship game I was watching, and no call and no complaining. (Does seem less important now that there is only one JB per game.)

Dad Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 971981)
Does this actually get called? I know when I played I did this all the time when I knew I was jumping against someone who could out jump be -- and only got called once. Clearly (from the comfort of my seat in the stands) happened in a boys varsity tournament championship game I was watching, and no call and no complaining. (Does seem less important now that there is only one JB per game.)
I'm trying to remember the last time I saw it called -- I can't.


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