Questions regarding NFHS RuleS:

Extra Points: The length of of each extra period shall be half the time of a regulation quarter for sub-varsity contest? True or False

Free Throws: In a free-throw situation, the resumption of play procedure cannot begine if team B is not occupying the first marked spaces on each side.

Opponents of the free-thrower may never occupy the second marked lanes spaces. True or False

Unless the resumption of play procedure is in effect, one opponent of the free thrower shall occupy each of the first marked lane spaces adjacent to the end line during the first bonus situation. True or False

Live/dead ball: The ball becomes dead immediately if A1's try for a field goal is in flight when B1 excessively swings arms or elbows without making contact, True or False

The penalty for each single technical foul is either one or two free throws depending on the nature of the infraction. True or False

Substitutions: It is permissible to withdraw a player before the clock properly starts following his or her substitution into the games..True or False

Technical Fouls: It is a technical foul if a player reaches through the end line boundary-line and touches or bats the ball while it is being passed among teammates after a score. True or False

Traveling: A trtaveling violation results if A1, while holding the ball, touches the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot. True or False

Violations: No violation occurs when during a throw-in by A1 following a goal, A2 goes out of bounds to receive a pass and attempt the throw-in. True or False


Thanks: Not sure on the answeres of the above questiosn.

Are you asking us to answer your test questions, Mac? :rolleyes:

OK - I'll go ahead and do it for him.

All of the answers are true - except for the ones that are false. Hope that helps.

Questions
 

Yes it is true and the questions that I have posted are the ones I could not find in rule book! This is my first year referring and I want to do the best job that I can.

Thanks for humor but I am serious about the correct answers.

Re: Questions
 

You already have the answers on the other forum.

Welcome to the Forum!
 

I can assure you that the answers are in the rule book. How does it help you if we simply give them to you?

Re: Welcome to the Forum!
 

How in the hell does it hurt him? If you tell him the answer, he will understand the rule. So if a young official tells you what he does before the game, you are going to say to him, "look it up in the rulebook?" I guess those Association meetings are a complete waste of time? :rolleyes:

Peace

I'll tell you where to find the answers and you have to go read it, OK? Citations in the rules book have the form X-Y-Z, and those referring the the case book look like A.B.C and should be read as Rule Number, Section #, Article #. Got it?

Happy reading!

And, we wonder why we can't get new officials. If the guy wanted some smart As* answer he could have asked a coach. I thought this was a place you could come for help, not a place you come to and toot your own horn. Some day we will all be as knowledgeable as Mark Padgett,less the ego.

And if he wanted to improve as an official, he could've called any other official in his area and talked through the situations, instead just getting a true or false from us. I see your point, I really do. But I also feel that just getting the answers doesn't really help one become a better official. That's just my opinion.

As far as I can tell, Clay, nobody has bragged about his/her accomplishments or rule knowledge in this thread. Nobody's tooting their own horn.

There has been a long-standing difference of opinion on this board about this sort of question for several years. There are two basic opinions. Tony and Mark, among others, feel that it's not particularly helpful to simply supply the answers to the tests. If you don't know the answer, then you ought to dig a little (either in the rulebook, or by hashing it out with other officials) to understand the answer. Otherwise, they ought to just give you an answer key along with the test questions. That's a valid position, I think.

Others, including at least one poster in this thread, think that tests are just about useless so it does no harm to supply the answers. They feel (I think) that the result that you achieve on a test has almost nothing to do with how you perform on the court. So you might as well just give the answers, b/c getting them right isn't going to make you a good official if you really stink; and getting them wrong isn't going to make you a bad official if you can actually call a decent game. I think that's a vaild position, too, although I happen to disagree with it.

So while you might not like Padgett's attempt at humor, or Tony rolling his eyes, it's not b/c they're smarter-than-thou. It's just an honest difference of opinion about how best to improve as an official.

[Edited by ChuckElias on Sep 15th, 2003 at 08:31 AM]

No one is tooting anything, CLAY. I believe I asked a very valid question. "I can assure you that the answers are in the rule book. How does it help you if we simply give them to you?" If he completes the exam himself and then has questions about those that he missed, I'll be the first one here to reply to his questions and help him understand the answers. But to simply tell him the answers serves no purpose at all.

mmcclanahan, I'm glad that you chosen to take up this avocation. It's also important that you've found this forum. If you'll continue to read, posts questions here, and study, the forum will become invaluable to you. As I stated, the answers to these questions are in the rule book. Such is the purpose of these exams, to get you into the book, to learn how the book is laid out and where to go for specific issues.

Once your exam is graded and you have questions, post and you'll get plenty of help and explanations. Good luck.

I agree with Tony and Mark.I've trained officials for a long time,and I still do.Supplying someone with test answers doesn't teach them a thing,and doesn't do them any good either.They aren't learning anything if you do their work for them. If they do the best that they can on a test, then they'll find out where they they went wrong when that test is graded.It will also point out the areas of rules study that they will need to work on.

Clay,do you really think that it's right,or it actually helps university students, if someone is supplying them with the answers for their exams?

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 15th, 2003 at 08:47 AM]

WE ALL KNOW THE RULES ARE LISTED IN THE "BOOK", BUT SOMETIMES THEY ARE HARD TO FIND AND THE DEFINITONS ARE CONFUSSING. YOU ALMOST HAVE TO BE A ENGLISH MAJOR TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE WORDING. LET'S HELP THE GUY OUT. WHEN THE BASKETBALL SEASONS BEGINS WE COME HERE FOR HELP AND EVERYONE SEEMS POST THE RULES WHEN CERTIAN SITUATIONS ARISE.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

Re: Re: Welcome to the Forum!
 

Then why in the hell don't you post the answers for him?

THEN POST THE ANSWERS FOR HIM!

If you don't know the difference, there's no point in trying to explain it to you. Just post the answers for him, you're so fired up about it.

BTW, DROP THE DAMN CAPS! We can hear fine.

The difference is that he is being tested. That test will give whoever administered it to him an idea of exactly how much knowledge of the rules that he actually has. It will also tell the person being tested where he needs to do work.It will teach him how to use the books properly,and how to learn from them.We will help the guy out by showing him how to learn from his mistakes.

Just giving someone the answers to exams won't help them at all,and it won't teach them anything either.

Hey!!!!
 

Well if it was such a problem and it is going to hurt him so much, why not say anything and read another post. Hey, there is a wonderful idea. ;)

Peace

Same ole stuff Clay.
 

You are exactly right. This is a discussion board. That is why folks come here is to get questions answered. Instead they get a sermon from the faithful, :rolleyes: what officiating is all about and what should be done about it. I guess if you do not live in those areas that give the test the way they take it or consider the test a big deal, then you are wrong for that. And if you noticed, the usual suspects always want to tell the "lesser" guys what to do and think.

Btw, the CAPS showed your emotion. Nice touch.

Peace

Chuck, there is a third position which I would take, and NevadaRef has already taken, which is to let the questioner look up the answers for himself, but give him a boost in the correct direction by giving references. I think this answers both concerns and is the most helpful in every direction: He'll be able to do better on the test, because he will have LEARNED something, which will also be useful later.

Re: Hey!!!!
 

I'm left wondering why you never follow your own advice.
I'm left wondering how you can conclude where I stand on the matter.
I'm left wondering why you never answer a direct question.

Oh well...I've seen your act before, guess I'll check out now :shrug:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

Quote:

Others, including at least one poster in this thread, think that tests are just about useless so it does no harm to supply the answers. They feel (I think) that the result that you achieve on a test has almost nothing to do with how you perform on the court. So you might as well just give the answers, b/c getting them right isn't going to make you a good official if you really stink; and getting them wrong isn't going to make you a bad official if you can actually call a decent game. I think that's a vaild position, too, although I happen to disagree with it.

Well considering that many states use the NF Part 1 Exam as an open book exam, you are not giving the entire picture. Yes, getting the answer or not getting the answer is not going to determine your ability as an official, but being a good official also comes with experience and "seeing plays" to understand the rules better. A person coming here that has never officiate at all (which this poster seems to be) is not going to understand the inner workings of the rulebook and casebook. It is all going to be Chinese, until they get on the court and see what the rules and questions actually means. Because in my state and in all the associations I am a member of, they go over the test and give out the answers. And it does spark up some interesting debates and these discussions help throw out test questions every year, because the question was written so poorly or is confusing, the IHSA just considers it correct. Getting the answers are not going to help officials to stay in shape to run after kids more than half their age, is not going to get you more games to "see plays," or go to camps or attend association meetings that might discuss how to handle an irrate coach.

Because if officiating is just about taking test, then why are you here in the first place?

If the only time he picks up the rulebook is to get the answers for the test, then he is not going to be much use to anyone. Now that is my opinion. ;)

Peace

I'm all for that, Juules. Give Nevada an "attaboy"!

Re: Re: Hey!!!!
 

I've decided that the above is actually great advice and I'm going to follow it, even if the original poster can't bring him/herself to do so. I have resolved simply to ignore the totality of what some posters "contribute" to the forum. For those concerned, I will neither read nor respond to their posts; neither will I address or refer to them by name. I just can't be bothered anymore.

Re: Re: Re: Hey!!!!
 

So what you are saying, Chuck, is that from now on you will completely ignore the Yankee rants of both Dan and JR, correct?? I am all for that!!

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey!!!!
 

Nah, I already do that! But I can't ignore everything that they post. About 2% is actually worth reading!! :D

Re: Re: Hey!!!!
 

Unless you are my wife, my parent or an evaluator, I do not think I owe you any explaination. If you are too consumed with your own feelings to realize why I did not do things to your satisfaction, then so be it.

Answer the questions or read and move on. We do not need the lecture about what answering or not answering is going to mean. And if you give your sermon, then be prepared to get an opposing opinion. Sounds logical to me. Maybe you will learn that one day. It is like a talk show host getting on TV and giving an opinion, and not expecting the mail or email to oppose that position.

Have a great life.

Peace

So what you are saying, Chuck, is that from now on you will completely ignore the Yankee rants of both Dan and JR, correct?? I am all for that!! [/B][/QUOTE]Do you really want us to get into the little "hands-around-their-own-necks" phase that the Mariners are currently going through instead,do ya? Slappy and I don't play favorites,ya know!