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OKREF Tue Dec 01, 2015 03:41pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 971355)
Yes....and a stupid one too.

It should only apply for contact that occurs through the plane, not when the thrower puts the ball/arms on the inbounds side of the plane where the defense IS permitted to play the ball.

I agree with this. If the offense puts it across the line it should be no foul.

BlueDevilRef Tue Dec 01, 2015 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 971344)
bzzzt.



Unless, of course, that is another of those "I understand the rules, but they seem inconsistent to me" posts.


Dammit!!!! I really should have read that better. I'm an idiot. But, that is why I'm on here. I have learned a ton more by being an active participant than by just reading and lurking. More I engage in here has helped me (at least I think it has) be more engaged in games watching for things that are discussed here in hopes I don't screw them up in a real game.


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frezer11 Tue Dec 01, 2015 04:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 971357)
I agree with this. If the offense puts it across the line it should be no foul.

Mainly agree. If the defender hits arms, not ball, then it should be a foul still, but not an intentional.

deecee Tue Dec 01, 2015 04:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 971355)
Yes....and a stupid one too.

It should only apply for contact that occurs through the plane, not when the thrower puts the ball/arms on the inbounds side of the plane where the defense IS permitted to play the ball.

That's not how the rule reads.

PENALTIES: (Art. 10)
1. The first violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane by an opponent(s) of
the thrower shall result in a team warning for delay being given (one delay
warning per team per game). The warning does not result in the loss of the
opportunity to move along the end line when and if applicable.
2. The second or additional violations will result in a technical foul assessed
to the offending team. See 10-1-5c Penalty.
3. If an opponent(s) reaches through the throw-in boundary-line plane and
touches or dislodges the ball while in possession of the thrower or being
passed to a teammate outside the boundary line (as in 7-5-7), a technical
foul shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required. See
10-3-10 Penalty.
4. If an opponent(s) contacts the thrower, an intentional personal foul shall
be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required


There is no stipulation that it must be behind the boundary plane.

OKREF Tue Dec 01, 2015 04:18pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 971362)
That's not how the rule reads.

PENALTIES: (Art. 10)
1. The first violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane by an opponent(s) of
the thrower shall result in a team warning for delay being given (one delay
warning per team per game). The warning does not result in the loss of the
opportunity to move along the end line when and if applicable.
2. The second or additional violations will result in a technical foul assessed
to the offending team. See 10-1-5c Penalty.
3. If an opponent(s) reaches through the throw-in boundary-line plane and
touches or dislodges the ball while in possession of the thrower or being
passed to a teammate outside the boundary line (as in 7-5-7), a technical
foul shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required. See
10-3-10 Penalty.
4. If an opponent(s) contacts the thrower, an intentional personal foul shall
be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required


There is no stipulation that it must be behind the boundary plane.

He's not saying it is. Just stating, in his opinion, that he believes if the offense puts the ball across the line, it shouldn't be an intentional foul. I don't think he is inferring anything different than what the rule is.

deecee Tue Dec 01, 2015 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 971363)
He's not saying it is. Just stating, in his opinion, that he believes if the offense puts the ball across the line, it shouldn't be an intentional foul. I don't think he is inferring anything different than what the rule is.

Yup you are correct. I just went back and re-read.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 01, 2015 08:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 971362)
That's not how the rule reads.

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There is no stipulation that it must be behind the boundary plane.

Never said it did. I was suggesting what the rule should be. While it is an intentional foul by rule, it makes no sense.

Raymond Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:07am

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 971333)
I'm going with a violation, ball goes to other team, AP doesn't change bc throw in was not legally completed



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Throw-ins end when the throw-in team violates.


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