Can't say "Never saw that" again
 

Girls varsity last night...my partner calls a 10 second violation of the FT shooter. This is my 9th season and it is the first time I have been in a game where it was called.

For the record, when he called it the coach yelled at the girl "See, I told you there was a 10 second limit and they count. Maybe now you will listen to me."

Ah...such a lovely teaching moment.

How long had she actually taken?

Partner said he was actually at a slightly slow 12 (looked like she was going to shoot when he was a 9 but it was a "pump fake"). Said he blew because if someone on the other bench was counting with his visible count it would be worse.

I'd probably fall asleep if a shooter actually took 10 seconds!

Had a partner call that once. The coach yelled "That wasn't 10 seconds even in dog years."

I cracked up.

Never seen that one called.

I called a violation after the inbounds pass for the first time ever last week. A1 inbounded the ball from the end line, then took 5-6 steps laterally, still out of bounds across the end line before coming inbounds. First time I've seen it called, much less called it myself. Then had the same thing in my very next game.

There is a reason that you don't see that called.
The reason is that this is not a violation. It's a technical foul. :eek:
You kicked the rule. :(

So you're correct. 10-3-2. Thanks.

I strongly wish they'd change this one to a violation. It really doesn't seem any different than a player leaving the court without authorization. Much like the swinging elbows, more officials would be willing to call it if it were a violation. The infraction isn't severe enough to rise to the level of a T.

Great Minds Think Alike ...
 

I completed all the paperwork to get this changed this past off season. My suggested change actually made its way onto the agenda for the rules committee to consider, but my change was not accepted. My change would have made the penalty (a violation) for a player stepping out of bounds to gain an advantage the same as a throwin player delaying being out of bounds to gain an advantage.

NFHS 9-3-3: A player shall not leave the court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 3) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation. (See 6-7-9 Exception d)

NFHS 10-3-2: A player shall not: Purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds.
PENALTY: (Section 3) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in.

Change 10-3-2 from a technical foul to a violation. Purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds should carry the same penalty as leaving the court for an unauthorized reason.

NFHS 9-3-3-B: A player shall not purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds.
PENALTY: (Section 3) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation. (See 6-7-9 Exception d)

Should I give it another try after this season?

IMHO, Yes.

Should I give it another try after this season?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely!
What's the reasoning behind this rule?

I can see this being good strategy at the end of a game if you have a poor free throw shooter that you needed/wanted to keep in the game. A team could have the poor free throw shooter inbounds the ball and just stay out of bounds... especially with all contact on the inbounder being an intentional foul.
Not saying it makes perfect sense, but is one possible justification?

I agree. I don't know if you submitted it directly, or through your state, but my guess is that suggestions from the State carry more weight than suggestions from an individual referee / coach.

I actually saw this called like 15 years go. We still give the official crap for calling it and he was right to call it too. :D

Peace

In my almost 20 years, I have never called or even seen it called. I was told on day 1 to count 8, 9, 9 1/4, 9 1/2, 9 3/4, etc. but never get to 10. I don't even recall ever getting close.

This was called in the NBA not that long ago.

My first year I had a partner call a 5 second free throw violation. Thankfully he was open to correction from the new guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf-8zhYN_10

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Wow, APG, that was a long time! I've never seen anyone, at any level, come close to what Howard did. Yikes! :eek:

I have to admit, it's usually about 3 seconds before I even start counting. If I get to ten, then, I'm calling it.

Howard had it between 14 and 15 seconds and didn't look to be close to shooting.

I like the "follow-up" technical on Howard too. :D

The only time this was an issue was with one particular player who had a very drawn out free throw routine. If you were playing by the rules it was at least 12 sec. So I blew my whistle and tied my shoe. Made it clear she needed to get the ball off sooner. Coach commented he knew what I was saying the minute I started tying my shoe. He addressed it as well, and we went on without interruption. Even though many of these rules have punishments that don't fit the crime, I believe a little preventive officiating can go a long way.

Is the correct word preventive, or preventative?

Discuss.

I was told the same thing and I get the idea of waiting a bit before you start the count. However, once you start the count...unless you are not following the mechanic we were taught of having a visible "flick of the fingers"...you really need to count correctly and call the violation when you get to ten.

What do you say, without losing credibility, to a coach who is watching you and counting with your visible count? I don't think "I lost my place" or "I have difficulty counting to 10" is going to help your game.

Good question,

I'm just a dumb Army guy, but I would say "preventive medicine" not "Preventative medicine"

But i've been hit in the head a lot.....;)

Preventive.

The root verb is prevent, not preventate.

Yes.

I prefer preventive, in a pedanticative way.

Per Fowler's, both words joined our language in the 17th century, both are acceptable, and the shorter version is far more common (as in about 5:1).

You mean, other than putting air in the whistle, and bending over to tie your shoe while everyone watched you tie a shoe that was already tied? ;)

HS game, 1967, we wore high socks, with our school colors at the top. I was at the free throw line to shoot 2, and after the Trail handed me the ball, I noticed that one of my socks had fallen down . So, I handed him the ball, and raised my sock. He then gave me the ball, and as I was about to shoot, he whistled me for the 10-second violation. I asked him why, and he then told me what the rule was . . . I did make the second shot . . .

Misty Water Color Memories ...
 

How quaint? Mid twentieth century mechanics.

Do you remember those days, Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

I remember those days and I'm only in my 29th year.

Those Were The Days ...
 

Pregame conference: "On a free throw, when you're the lead, be sure to give me good, crisp, accurate, bounce pass."

No nostalgia for some of the dumb stuff we did back then. Going Cadillac. Signaling (as the trail) every made shot.

That was the mechanic in the 90s. I did that the first 3 or 4 years of my career.

Peace

There's No Crying In Basketball (Paraphrasing Tom Hanks) ...
 

Please stop. You're making me tear up.

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Did he know the part of the rule about you relinquishing player control of the ball to an official during your FT attempt?

. . .apparently not . . .