Sleeves, etc '15-'16
 

Sorry, I haven't been on in awhile, do not have '15-'16 books yet, so before posting did a search on this subject, finding the last discussion of the topic was last May, ending in a disagreement between two posters that resulted in a closed thread. Not wanting to start that up again, but now that season is underway, there seems to be (as usual) disagreement in our area over this still. As I understand it, was the final interp that headbands or wristbands must be black, white, or beige, but must also be ALL same color among same team members? And...that if leg or arm sleeves or compression shorts are worn they must also match the headbands or wristbands among teammates? Was it decided that if NO head or wrist bands are worn that then the compression items must still conform to the matching color rule? Is there any language stating ANY of these items (other than an undershirt of course) must match the predominant color of the uniform? Could a team wearing all white unis have kids with black knee or arm sleeves?

EVERYTHING (sleeves, bands) must be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the uniform.

EVERYTHING (sleeves, bands) must be the same color for all team members.

The items (bands, sleeves), however, do not need to match the predominant color of the uniform. They just need to match each other, for all team members, and be one of the potential four colors listed above.

Hope you get your books soon!

Tshirts -- must match the jersey.

All other items (headbands, wrist bands, arm sleeves, leg sleeves) -- must be white, black, beige or jersey color; all must match for all players (on a team)

Yes, they do. All items have to be the same color for all team members and must be white, black, beige, or the predominate color of the jersey being worn. I'm confused though because your first sentence says they have to be the predominate color of the uniform.

On a side rant: Why can't they just settle on a headband/wristband/sleeve rule and stick with it? Why the constant update to the rule EVERY year? The headband rule has actually gotten more strict, since you used to be able to wear headbands that were any school color. Now they have to match the jersey color along with the other items. It's like the committee has nothing else to do so they decide "Hey lets tinker with the headband/sleeve rule again this year for the fun of it".

School color is not easily defined for every official walking into a gym to know the official school colors of every school they work.

Crap, just when I was going to thank you for this clarification, it appears there's still a difference of opinion. Do they or do they NOT have to match the predominate uniform color?

They don't have to be the predominant color of the jersey, however they can be the predominant color of the jersey...

They need to be white, black or beige... If they are any other color than those three it needs to be the predominate color of the jersey.

In my opinion the rule is very easy to understand.

Headbands, sleeves, wristbands, must be black, white, beige, or the predominate color of the uniform, Headbands, sleeves, wristbands, must be the same color, and all team members must match.

You may not have white sleeves on legs and black headbands. I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

This is why it is so hard. The Fashion Policy rules keep changing. With such a complicated rule book and now such a simple rule about this we are over thinking it because that is what we do. Test tries to catch up. The rules try to catch us. The case book tries to catch us. Now we have the simplest rule (finally) on clothing and our minds say it cant be that simple can it?

It is awesome and I pray it will stay this simple for 25 years....

Save your prayers . . . it won't . . . Manufacturers, marketers and other $-concerns will find new and wonderful ways to stretch the rule(s), and aggravate the sensisibilities of all involved . . .

Me too, but it won't be easy for coaches until about 5 years after the stop changing the rule. :D

Exactly, It wasn't hard to understand, and I thought I did, until he contradicted the first poster and said they had to match uniform. Having them ALL same color black, white or beige (never seen beige by the way unless it's dirty white) is certainly the easiest and most sensical ruling.

Book 'Em, Danno!
 

In PDF and PowerPoint formats: 2015/16 Fashion Police Regulations

I didn't see any actual contradiction....just misunderstanding of what others actually said.

Grammar Police infraction aside, beige is the color of stock pre-wrap. Since pre-wrap now comes in all kindsa Crayola colors it isn't as popularly used anymore.

All you had to to was look at their uniforms and see if their headbands matched one of the colors on their uniforms. Not that difficult.

The actual rule you quoted says "Shall be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey". What am I missing?

Not to kill the mood, but it's important to note (I think) that there are no color restrictions on knee braces (not to be confused with leg compression sleeves). Same lack of uniformity policy as for shoes and socks.


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Another mood killer not mentioned thus far on this thread: Compression Shorts.
They're under the same umbrella as undershirts -- must be same color as jersey.
Why they made compression shorts different than all the other matching items is beyond me.

I reserve the right to be wrong

You're not missing anything (nor is JetMetFan).

The person who was (apparently) confused was either the OP or someone claiming to the OP that the bands/sleeves "MUST (or HAVE TO) be the color of the jersey" -- that's the requirement for T-shirts.

You might want to recheck that under 3-5-3b.

From last year's book (it changed slightly this year but I don't have that in an easily copy/paste form yet).

Compression shorts (covered under 3-5-7) are not the same as tights (3-5-3).

The issue of how you determine one from the other has been raised (without resolution, afaik) several times on these forums

Frankly, if I see it, it's a tight/sleeve. If I don't, I don't care what color it is. ;)

Stupid NFHS Fashion Police Rules ...
 

Not quite.

3-5-7: Compression shorts shall be a single solid color similar to the predominate color of the uniform ...

I believe that this was a change last year. 3-5-7 used to state that compression shorts shall be a single solid color similar to the predominant color of the pants ...

How about a definition of uniform?

You Have The Right To Remain Silent ...
 

Best I can tell, if it's on the lower leg, or the knee (not a brace) it's tights. If it's on then upper leg, it's compression shorts. If it goes the way from the waist to the foot, it's probably tights.

But my statement above seems to be contradicted by 3-5-3-A: Anything worn on the arm and/or leg is a sleeve ... and shall meet the color restrictions.

Silly NFHS monkeys.

Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work, as demonstrated by every post you've made in this thread, completely derailing it in the process.

It's not a matter of matching any color on the uniform. If you're not going the black/white/beige route, your bands/sleeves will have to match the predominant color.

Compression Shorts ??? You're On Your Own ...
 

Ignoring compression shorts, it simply comes down to this:

Headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, and tights, shall be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, and the same color for each item, and all participants. Anything worn on the arm, and/or the leg (except a knee brace), is defined as a sleeve. Only a single item may be worn on the head (with no extensions), and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow. Rubber, cloth, or elastic bands, of any color, may be used to control hair. Undershirts must be similar in color to the uniform jersey, and shall not have frayed, or ragged edges.

Exactly!

The old NFHS definition of compression shorts was that they could not extend below the knee. If they did, then they were classified as tights, which used to be illegal.

Although tights are now legal, I still don't see any reason to alter the definition of compression shorts. So I'm sticking with the above the knee classification.

Saying that "compression shorts can not extend below the knee" (which is till in the book, I think), is NOT the same as saying "any garment that's above the knee is a compression short"

3-5-3-A: Anything worn on the arm and/or leg is a sleeve ... and shall meet the color restrictions.

Compression shorts are worn on the leg. They are not braces. Are they sleeves?

3-5-7: Compression shorts shall be a single solid color similar to the predominate color of the uniform ...

Still waiting for a definition of uniform?

It doesn't say pants anymore, nor does it say jersey.

According to the old NFHS definition, tights could also be above the knee, and, as such, legal, if the same color as the pants (shorts).

Old 3-5-7: Compression shorts/tights shall be a single solid color similar to
the predominant color of the pants/skirt; the length shall be above the knee.
Undergarments shall not extend below the pants/skirt.

Tights, above the knee, and the same color as the shorts (old rule), were never considered to be illegal.

In my opinion, the NFHS should remove all reference to compression shorts in the basketball rulebook.

The term tights, with the existing color restrictions, should cover everything (accept knee braces, shoes, and socks) worn on the leg. Tights that extend from the waist to the feet. Tights that extend from the waist to the knee. Tights that extend from the knee to the feet. Tights that are worn on the knee ... shall be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, and the same color for each item, and all participants.

Perhaps the terms tights, and sleeves, in regard to the leg, should be interchangeable.

In any case, General Motors doesn't ask my advice about automobiles, even though I drive a Chevrolet, so why should the NFHS listen to my advice about basketball rules because I officiate basketball?

The NFHS did listen to my suggested change in the definition of goaltending (return outside of the cylinder to the definition), this past year, but that was minor compared to a "Fashion Police" issue such as this.

I understand that the NFHS, as the guardian of the game, wants to control what the players wear while playing basketball, we don't need a bunch of players dressed like clowns in the game, but these "Fashion" rules should be simple, and easy to enforce.

Bite your tongue.

Don't even think, or joke, about it.

Shoes can't have flashing lights on them.

Enough said.

End of story.

Period.

3.5 SITUATION C: May a team member wear: (a) shoes which have a light
mechanism or have lights which are activated by heel contact with the floor; or
(b) gloves? RULING: No, in both (a) and (b). In (a), the shoes may be worn if the
lights are deactivated. In (b), gloves are not needed to play the game and are not
considered to be appropriate.

Regarding upper leg equipment. I'm going to interpret on the side of player participating with any color upper leg equipment if I can find any rule that would seem to allow it.

With no NFHS definition of uniform, I will allow upper leg equipment to be the same color as the jersey, or the shorts, with no restrictions on same color for each item, and all participants, treating them like compression shorts.

Or, if it allows the player to participate, I will treat the upper leg equipment like sleeves/tights, the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, and the same color for each item, and all participants.

I'm not ignoring the issue, but I'm not taking a written test. These are real life, game conditions; and interpretations, and decisions, that have to be made.

Silly NFHS monkeys.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it, until I change my mind, or until my mind is changed.

Comments?

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Don't You See Those Black Helicopters Outside Your Window ???
 

crosscountry55: What did you not understand about:

You do know that the NFHS is continually monitoring this Forum 24/7.

We don't want to give then any crazy ideas about new rules.

Utshay upway.

6 posts in a row, and 7 out of 8. Maybe a new record for the most posts repeatedly saying the same thing over and over

Yup.

I'm not the one who needs help comprehending what is being said.

Someone else said that under the OLD rule, it was not possible to know what all the school colors are. (Since headbands/wristbands under the OLD rule had to match any school color) I replied that all you had to do under the OLD rule is look at their uniforms to figure out what their colors are.

In every other post in this thread I have tried to make the point that the NEW rule says that bands/sleeves/tights/etc have to now match the predominant color on the uniform if they're not black/white/beige. The problem is that others haven't read the NEW rule and decide to post anyway.

Here is your first post, ODog:
If they're not black/white/beige, they DO have to match the predominant color of the uniform. Maybe in the bolded part above you are saying that they don't have to be the predominant color of the uniform because they can be black/white/beige...you didn't specify that though. 3-5-4a now says "Headbands and wristbands shall be white, black, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, and shall be the same color for each item and all participants. They must be the same color as any sleeves/tights worn"

Hey lookie there, I quoted the exact rule again that you seem to think I don't know.

"All you HAD to do....."

Had, being past tense, as in the previous rule since that's what I was talking about. And I'm the one who wasn't reading....

Red Is The New Gray ...
 

Probably true 99% of the time. My hometown high school colors are blue and white. Some school uniforms have some degree of red, especially the football, baseball, and softball, uniforms. Red is not a school color. Several years ago the new football coach was almost run out of town by a group of alumni old timers for dressing the football team in red helmets.

Which is how this whole nonsense thread was started ... by you ... who doesn't have his new rules book.

letemplay is one without a new rule book.

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That's funny since I didn't start the thread, and I posted the new rule verbatim just a few posts up.

Better quit while you're ahead, junior.

If it's in their uniform, it's a school color for the sake of the OLD headband rule.

Signed Affidavit ???
 

In practicality, I agree with you. That's how I use to handle it in my games. I wasn't going to ask players to prove that the headband was a school color if said color was on any part of their uniform.

For an old written test, citation please. I've given you an example (above) where a color worn on the uniform is definitely not a school color. I know this for a fact. I taught in that school system. I coached in that school system. All three of my children participated in several sports at that high school. The school colors were blue and white. Red was not a school color.

If it's on the uniform, I'm counting it as a school color.

What Year Is It Again?
 

"Let's Do the Time Warp Again" (RHPS)

I know "school color" is gone.

Colour My World ...
 

Again, I did the same thing on the floor, in a real game.

Old written test? NFHS citation please.

Is it possible that the NFHS changed the wording because of the imprecision of the phrase "school color"?

Note: To add to my post above: When the alumni old timers complained about the new football coach dressing the team in red helmets, the local newspaper published an article in which it was determined that the school colors were only blue and white.

In very, very few cases, there may be a difference between school uniform colors, and school colors. The old rule stated school colors.

sorry to continue this abysmal thread....but, i am going to anyway. :) but i am not going to talk about color since in Iowa they can do whatever they want! But girls are wearing headbands that tie in the back so they have tails on them. Legal or not?

Not (absent some specific instructions to the contrary in your state / association)

The Skylar Diggins Rule ...
 

Headbands must be a circular design, with no extensions.

2015-16 NFHS Interpretations

SITUATION 4: An official notices members of Team A are wearing headbands that have extensions. RULING: Illegal. The coach should be informed that the headbands with extensions are illegal and the players will not be allowed to enter the game wearing them. (3-4-5b)

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