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BigT Thu Nov 12, 2015 04:06pm

And my last T was for....
 
Whether a player or coach. Pre-season game or wreck ball...

Whatever reasons can you tell us a little about your last Technical foul?

Mine was a wreck ball game. The players had been told a few times to stop discussing with us calls and non-calls.

I am Trail behind the ball handler and before I could get a better angle apparently the ball handler doubled dribbled past him and he was vocal about one more non-call.

Looking forward to hearing yours!

IAUMP Thu Nov 12, 2015 04:27pm

Just last week in a 7/8th grade girls tournament, my partner (also my son) called a charge on A1. A's coach, who was complaining all game, didn't agree with the call and forcibly deposited his clipboard on to the floor by the bench. I rang up the T without hesitating. Heard nothing else from this coach.

AremRed Thu Nov 12, 2015 04:28pm

Had a really bad coach the other night. Could have got him for ABS multiple times but my veteran partner said he was gonna take care of him (he didn't). This coach whined about EVERYTHING. At one point this coach was whining about my partner not granting the other coach a timeout during a dead ball. Partner didn't see/hear coach but it didn't matter cuz I came tableside and granted the timeout like 15 seconds later.

This dude would not shut up. I was U2 and working with two 20-year plus vets so I didn't think it was my place to have a "come to Jesus" talk with this guy. I ended up warning both coaches at the same time in the 4th quarter when they were both yapping at me when I came tableside to report a foul.

Last tech I actually called was last week during men's league. I was Trail and had ball handler in my area and had an off-ball foul where an offensive player was trying to cut and the defender impeded him. They tangled up and both fell to the floor. The defender got up first and stood over the other guy and taunted him. Probably should have pitched him but it turns out the league has a 1 tech = disqualification policy. Yay. :cool:

Raymond Thu Nov 12, 2015 04:29pm

I don't remember. Honestly.

Rich Thu Nov 12, 2015 04:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 969673)
I don't remember. Honestly.

Me either. It was last season.

Camron Rust Thu Nov 12, 2015 04:37pm

My last T was a mistake. I misinterpreted what a player said. In analyzing it after the game, I realized my error. I admitted my error and apologized to the player's coach the next time I saw him.

JRutledge Thu Nov 12, 2015 05:00pm

Last night and I choose not to repeat what the kid called me. And it was a JUCO and NAIA team competition. Coach understood and we moved on.

Peace

BillyMac Thu Nov 12, 2015 05:17pm

It's Bill Russell ...
 
Last season. Catholic middle school player wearing number six, playing in a league where uniform rules are expected to be enforced. This player had just joined the team after transferring from another school, and the coach just grabbed the first jersey she found in storage. The odd thing was that I didn't realize it right away, but something looked strange about her jersey. It took me a few seconds to realize it was an illegal number. The head coach was not pleased that she lost her coaching box for the rest of the game.

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Nov 12, 2015 05:24pm

Wreck Ball...
 
Well, I made it through the first night of wreck league(3 games) without one, but night 2 wasn't quite as smooth. Last game of the night. 2 pretty competitive teams. Guard who was probably the fastest guy on the court steals the ball just before it comes over the midcourt line. One player from the other team was still back, and the guy who just got jacked went back on defense as well. Guard who just stole the ball tries to go between them where he had no business going, off balance, and ended up on the floor. I've got nothing. From the floor, as I'm turning back upcourt, he says, "I got hit in the F*****G head." I say, "Excuse me?" And he yells it again. WHACK!

And for the record, I did not see him get hit in the head.

Welpe Thu Nov 12, 2015 08:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 969673)
I don't remember. Honestly.

I don't either but I haven't been on the court since 2013 so it's been a little while.

BlueDevilRef Thu Nov 12, 2015 08:11pm

High school seniors all star game....the admin did not communicate a limit of 2 timeouts per game to the floor crew, or to coaches apparently. Coach required his third timeout , which I granted. Informed by table it was excessive, so we had a tech. Seems silly really but those were the rules they were playing with.


I wish I had a cool signature

Welpe Thu Nov 12, 2015 08:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 969687)

I wish I had a cool signature

You know you can actually make that your signature instead of typing it in at the end of every post. ;)

Stat-Man Thu Nov 12, 2015 09:29pm

Nine months ago, in a CYO JV Girls #3 Game. (JV-3 usually being 4th graders).

For whatever reason, both teams--after a rather ordinary first half--decided to play very physical in the second half. Late in the fourth quarter, we have a held ball and both my partner and I come in with whistles. After play ends, the visting player wrests the ball away and then pivots forward towards the home player with whom she was tied up. The front of the former's shoulder then hit the latter square in the chest.

I thought the contact was definitely more than incidental, but not flagrant enough for ejection. So, I opted for a T for intentional dead-ball contact.

After reporting the foul, the visiting coach said, "You need to call more fouls." After my initial :confused:, I simply replied, "Coach, I just did." I guess he missed both the PC foul and the double-personal foul calls I made (among others) earlier in the half once the game became a foul-fest.

BlueDevilRef Thu Nov 12, 2015 09:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 969690)
You know you can actually make that your signature instead of typing it in at the end of every post. ;)


Very nice. I lol'd at this


I wish I had a cool signature

deecee Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:03pm

D3 scrimmage, partner still has the ball, I'm L ball on endline with full court pressure. Partner blows whistle and offensive player shoves defender to get space, defender goes flying, partner still has the ball. I waited about a .5-1 second to give C chance to get the call, then I came in with a whistle.

Coach was unhappy about the fact that it was a T since partner blew whistle, but I explained that the whistle doesn't determine the status of the ball, it's just used to announce that we are about to begin.

bas2456 Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:13am

This past weekend I had two in kids' travel games.

A1 is dribbling down the floor and as she gets to the three point line, pushes her defender away with her off arm to create space. I call the offensive foul, report to the table and walk down the floor (away from A's bench). Coach A follows me down the floor saying "Did you really call that offensive?" in a derogatory tone. "Yes I did coach," I say. "Did you just buy that whistle yesterday?" he says. WHACK.

He sat down and shut up the rest of the game.

Game 2:

Team A is blowing out Team B. Late in the game Team A runs a particular play successfully. Apparently Coach B took exception to Team A (thought they were running up the score?) and said something in the direction of A's bench. Next time down, Coach A says rather loudly..."Run it again if they want to talk s***!" WHACK! Coach A says "Oh, I was talking to my assistant".

I can't wait to get back to high school ball.

grunewar Fri Nov 13, 2015 05:25am

VB fall league last week. Late in second half (20 min halves, running clock) A1 driving the lane for a layup. B1 comes across the lane and goes up for a very nice block. A1 loses his balance and his momentum takes him to the ground. B1 stands over him, glares and shouts, "Get that s%!t out of here!" I'm L. WHACK!

Coach immediately sits B1 down while spewing, "You can't do that! You gotta stay composed! What are you thinking?!"

A2 makes both FT's and A gets the ball.

B eventually lost by 1........

JetMetFan Fri Nov 13, 2015 07:31am

H.S. boys' tournament in October. A1 says something dumb to B1. B1 says something equally as dumb in return. Bang...now you both have something.

crosscountry55 Fri Nov 13, 2015 07:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 969697)
Coach was unhappy about the fact that it was a T since partner blew whistle, but I explained that the whistle doesn't determine the status of the ball, it's just used to announce that we are about to begin.


This is why I only blow the whistle in this situation after a timeout, intermission, or unusual delay. Some officials do it on every throw-in, and as you can see, sometimes this is the unintended result. If your mechanics manual and/or assigner directs it, then do it. Otherwise, I recommend limiting the throw-in whistles.


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ODog Fri Nov 13, 2015 09:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 969715)
This is why I only blow the whistle in this situation after a timeout, intermission, or unusual delay. Some officials do it on every throw-in ...

I recommend limiting the throw-in whistles.

This.

bballref3966 Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:06am

Coach had already been seatbelted earlier after chirping the entire game. He jumps off the bench and yells, "That's a foul!"

Bye-bye, coach. Enjoy your suspension and $300 fine.

BigT Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 969672)
Had a really bad coach the other night. Could have got him for ABS multiple times but my veteran partner said he was gonna take care of him (he didn't). This coach whined about EVERYTHING. At one point this coach was whining about my partner not granting the other coach a timeout during a dead ball. Partner didn't see/hear coach but it didn't matter cuz I came tableside and granted the timeout like 15 seconds later.

This dude would not shut up. I was U2 and working with two 20-year plus vets so I didn't think it was my place to have a "come to Jesus" talk with this guy. I ended up warning both coaches at the same time in the 4th quarter when they were both yapping at me when I came tableside to report a foul.

Last tech I actually called was last week during men's league. I was Trail and had ball handler in my area and had an off-ball foul where an offensive player was trying to cut and the defender impeded him. They tangled up and both fell to the floor. The defender got up first and stood over the other guy and taunted him. Probably should have pitched him but it turns out the league has a 1 tech = disqualification policy. Yay. :cool:

I have a great chance at my first 3 man HS game this year. My question is how long does it take to become comfortable calling a T when you have 2 vets who really arent taking care of misbehaving coaches?

BigT Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 969705)
This past weekend I had two in kids' travel games.

A1 is dribbling down the floor and as she gets to the three point line, pushes her defender away with her off arm to create space. I call the offensive foul, report to the table and walk down the floor (away from A's bench). Coach A follows me down the floor saying "Did you really call that offensive?" in a derogatory tone. "Yes I did coach," I say. "Did you just buy that whistle yesterday?" he says. WHACK.

He sat down and shut up the rest of the game.

Game 2:

Team A is blowing out Team B. Late in the game Team A runs a particular play successfully. Apparently Coach B took exception to Team A (thought they were running up the score?) and said something in the direction of A's bench. Next time down, Coach A says rather loudly..."Run it again if they want to talk s***!" WHACK! Coach A says "Oh, I was talking to my assistant".

I can't wait to get back to high school ball.

Those are two great stories. They are all great yet these two were awesome.

BigT Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 969713)
H.S. boys' tournament in October. A1 says something dumb to B1. B1 says something equally as dumb in return. Bang...now you both have something.

Thank heaven trash talking is rare here. I have great hearing. Are the kids just that stupid to be so loud as to easily be heard by the officials? Or are you pretty close to hot spots (players) when you notice some talking going on?

JWP Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:58am

No ... don't do it
 
Middle school game, two very lower level teams. Kid gets the ball in the key and throws up a prayer of a shot that goes in. The 30 to 40 fans in the stands go wild. Kid is grinning ear to ear. I'm thinking it's the first basket of his life. Then he grabs the ball coming through the net, turns, and slams it down, bounding away in happiness. I think about for a half second and decide to just warn the kid. He wasn't trying to gain advantage, wasn't trying to showboat or show up the other team. He's just sooo happy. I blow whistle, tell him not to do that again, tell the coach the issue, and he tells the player to leave the ball alone after a score.

Two minutes later, he scores the second basket of his career. And he tracks the ball down again and runs partway down the court in utter glee before finally slamming the ball down. Whack. Coach laughs and gives me the "what can you do?" Shrug.

The other team then violated on both free throws.

zm1283 Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:59am

I don't even remember my last T. I don't think I had one on a coach last year. I think I got a couple of players but I honestly don't remember them.

johnny d Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:01am

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 969723)
I have a great chance at my first 3 man HS game this year. My question is how long does it take to become comfortable calling a T when you have 2 vets who really arent taking care of misbehaving coaches?

Define misbehaving. I am not going to T a coach who is in the coaches box giving either of my partners a hard time. They need to man up and take care of their own business or put up with grief all game long. On the other hand, if the coach is out on the floor, way out of the coaches box, or screaming at a partner across the floor and said partner doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to take care of the problem, I will. The point is, rookie or not, you should not be counting on your partners to handle coaches for you. If/when the coach is on your ass, and out of line, take care of business. If/when the coach is on your partners ass, then just like officiating in your primary area, let that partner handle or not handle his own business.

BigT Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 969731)
Define misbehaving. I am not going to T a coach who is in the coaches box giving either of my partners a hard time. They need to man up and take care of their own business or put up with grief all game long. On the other hand, if the coach is out on the floor, way out of the coaches box, or screaming at a partner across the floor and said partner doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to take care of the problem, I will. The point is, rookie or not, you should not be counting on your partners to handle coaches for you. If/when the coach is on your ass, and out of line, take care of business. If/when the coach is on your partners ass, then just like officiating in your primary area, let that partner handle or not handle his own business.

Thanks Johnny D, great advice.

Mark Padgett Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:44am

What's a "T"? :confused:

BigT Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 969740)
What's a "T"? :confused:

It stands for tester ie Hot mom tester.

AremRed Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 969723)
I have a great chance at my first 3 man HS game this year. My question is how long does it take to become comfortable calling a T when you have 2 vets who really arent taking care of misbehaving coaches?

That's a good question, but one with a "it depends" answer. The coach in my game wasn't being profane, he didn't go insane, he yelled a few times but not that loud. It was just persistent comments whenever I was Trail or Slot tableside. Persistent comments about this, persistent comments about that. He got on the R (35+ year vet who used to work college) about two calls he had in the first quarter and at the break he told my other partner and I that he was done (despite no publically warning the coach??). He said he would take care of him. But no, he just kept talking to the coach.

Coaches vote affects our postseason assignments so a lot of refs here don't buckle up and just whack the guy cuz 1) we would get a bad vote and 2) we don't have support from a supervisor, the school could easily make sure we never come back there. It sucks but it is what it is. So as the young guy on the crew I decided to just ignore the persistent comments and let my partners do the dirty work if they chose to do so. They didn't which is a shame, but I did at least warn the coaches and they were a little better after that. Our system of warning coaches here is a little different than the college game where when a coach has been warned no one can talk to him again except the guy who warned him. I see partners over the hobnobbing with coaches I have warned all the time.

You bet I have the intestinal fortitude to take care of insanity or profanity, but in this case I chose to ignore the persistent comments.

AremRed Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 969687)
High school seniors all star game....the admin did not communicate a limit of 2 timeouts per game to the floor crew, or to coaches apparently. Coach required his third timeout , which I granted. Informed by table it was excessive, so we had a tech. Seems silly really but those were the rules they were playing with.

All star game....could you have gotten away with no T and just given the other guy an extra timeout?

AremRed Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 969715)
This is why I only blow the whistle in this situation after a timeout, intermission, or unusual delay. Some officials do it on every throw-in, and as you can see, sometimes this is the unintended result. If your mechanics manual and/or assigner directs it, then do it. Otherwise, I recommend limiting the throw-in whistles.

I have started whistling for all frontcourt throw-ins and I do it as I am handing the ball to the thrower, thus I can't have the situation where I am calling a tech for contact after I have whistled but before the ball is live.

BlueDevilRef Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 969744)
All star game....could you have gotten away with no T and just given the other guy an extra timeout?


Nope, admins were at table and they were ones who advised only two timeouts after book told me coach was out. I thought it was silly but thems the breaks for not reading the rules sheet. Coach was not upset, he just shrugged it off.


I wish I had a cool signature

ODog Fri Nov 13, 2015 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 969746)
I have started whistling for all frontcourt throw-ins ...

What led you to this mechanic? Just curious.

I understand a lot of people feel the need to alert players in these congested areas (especially defenders who may have their backs to the ball) that play is about to resume. I see a lot of guys yell "Play" or "Play it!" just before administering the throw-in, as an alternative to adding more whistles to the game.

I've adopted the "Play" version on the advice of a veteran NCAA Division II men's official on our board.

BillyMac Fri Nov 13, 2015 06:29pm

Hey Everybody, We're Gonna Shoot A Free Throw ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ODog (Post 969777)
... feel the need to alert players ...

Anybody sound their whistle before a free throw after a timeout?

I believe that IAABO mechanics require this, but we only have a few guys that actually do it, and I'm not one of them.

NFHS mechanics?

Mregor Fri Nov 13, 2015 08:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 969780)
Anybody sound their whistle before a free throw after a timeout?

I believe that IAABO mechanics require this, but we only have a few guys that actually do it, and I'm not one of them.

NFHS mechanics?

Yes. After TO, official to indicate play is to begin by whistle. I'll hit whistle and then give "two shots" etc. and bounce ball to FT'er. But I'm in minority on this.

reffish Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:11pm

NCAAW mandates the lead whistle before throw-ins.

Bad Zebra Sat Nov 14, 2015 04:29pm

Since you asked...
 
Last night...first regular season G-V game. I call a shooting foul on V1. I'm tableside in front of her bench reporting. Her coach says to her "that was the correct call on you". She walks past me and says to her coach loud enough for the whole bench and table to hear: "No it wasnt. That was a terrible call". Whack! First game...first T of the season. Hope it's not an omen.

constable Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mregor (Post 969782)
Yes. After TO, official to indicate play is to begin by whistle. I'll hit whistle and then give "two shots" etc. and bounce ball to FT'er. But I'm in minority on this.


IAABO doesn't.

FIBA does.


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