Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 969600)

There's no such thing as a coach's challenge in basketball. If you want to stop play in order to check on a correctable error that's fine, but if a team is out of timeouts you don't give them one... for anything.

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 969610)

I'm not saying I'm right, but where is this "coaches challenge" type thing you're talking about?

If a coach wants to check on a rule that's fine, but that's not the same as a time out being charged based on whether he was right or not.

10.1.7 only refers to a tech being charged for requesting an excess timeout. Nothing about it relating to a CE or other rule question by a coach.


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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 969613)

It is a good thing you aren't saying you are right, because you are not right. Perhaps you should spend a little more time in the rule book before making such bold statements.

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 969600)

There's no such thing as a coach's challenge in basketball. If you want to stop play in order to check on a correctable error that's fine, but if a team is out of timeouts you don't give them one... for anything.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 969621)

Guys! Guys!! Yes, Bryan got the interpretation wrong. BUT!! I do not like the phrase "coach's challenge) because that phrase or the word "challenge" is not used in the Rules Book.

The Rules allow the HC to request Table Personnel to notify the GOs that a CE has been made. There is nothing in the rules that allows a "coach's challenge".

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 969612)

There correct answer to your question is as follows:

1) The Rules (NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's) allows Team A's HC to leave Team A's Bench Area to confer with Table Personnel to request a TO with regard to a possible CE (or AP Arrow mistake).

2) Upon being notified of A-HC's request, the Game Officials (GOs) will instruct the Timer to start timing a TO: i) if Team A has any Full TOs the Timer will start timing a Full TO; or ii) if Team A has only Thirty-Second TOs left the Timer will start timing a Thirty-Second TO; or if Team A has no TOs left then the Timer will start timing a Full TO.

3) If there is a CE and it is discovered before the CE time limit has expired, the CE is corrected and Team A is not charged with a TO and the game is resumed immediately.

4a) If there is a CE and it is discovered after the CE time limit has expired, the CE cannot be corrected, and Team A is charged with a TO.

4b) If there is no CE, Team A is charged with a TO.

If 4a or 4b occurs and there is time remaining in the TO, Team A is entitled to the remaining time in the TO based upon whether the TO is either (i), (ii), or (iii).

If 4a or 4b occurs and there is no time remaining in the TO, and the game is resumed immediately.

If (iii) occurs in either 4a or 4b Team A is charged with an excess TO. And the game is resumed with Team B shooting FTs as the result of the TF due to Team A's excess TO.

The applicable NFHS Rules are: R2-S10; R5-S8-A4; and R10-S5-A1c.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 969617)

look at 5-8-4 and 5-11-4 through six or so i think. the coach is allowed to make an "appeal" to the official at table. other coach allowed to be present.

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 969627)

And thank you. The part I was missing is the exception listed in 5.11.4

And for the record, I'm not all knowing. I'm fully aware that I will make mistakes. If some people around here could be a little less abrasive that would be great. This isn't reddit or the comment section of YouTube.

Am I wrong that we, as colleagues, should show more support for one another, rather than act like this is a contest on who is knowledgeable and who isn't?

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 969629)

Support also includes not telling a whole bunch of veteran officials they are wrong about a rule you have never looked up.

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 969627)

And thank you. The part I was missing is the exception listed in 5.11.4

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 969632)

I don't see a 5.11.4. I do see a 5-11-4. And, yes, it makes a difference. And, it's the FED notation -- see the Foreword to the case book.

Finally, while I might (or might not) have found a different way to express it, I agree with the sentiment expressed by johnny and badnewsref in this thread.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 969621)

Guys! Guys!! Yes, Bryan got the interpretation wrong. BUT!! I do not like the phrase "coach's challenge) because that phrase or the word "challenge" is not used in the Rules Book.

The Rules allow the HC to request Table Personnel to notify the GOs that a CE has been made. There is nothing in the rules that allows a "coach's challenge".

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 969638)

The OP did not say "coach's challenge," that was Bryan's wording when he said it's not allowed.

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 969633)

OK. I was the ass. My apologies. I do feel some people can be abrasive, but apparently this time it was me in the wrong.

And I always forget which is dashes and which is periods.

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