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Jumpshooter40 Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:35am
Throw In from Out of Bounds
 
This happened in a youth game. Player A, who has the ball at her disposal on the baseline, threw a bounce pass into her teammate which bounced on the out of bounds side of the baseline and then to her player/teammate. Legal play? We ruled legal.

BigCat Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Jumpshooter40 (Post 969475)
This happened in a youth game. Player A, who has the ball at her disposal on the baseline, threw a bounce pass into her teammate which bounced on the out of bounds side of the baseline and then to her player/teammate. Legal play? We ruled legal.
Not legal. The throw in must go "directly" into court is rule language. Rule 7 towards the end.

crosscountry55 Tue Nov 10, 2015 03:55pm
Concur w/ BigCat. Don't have my book with me, but the thrown ball cannot touch the court OOB before touching or being touched by a player or the court inbounds. The other aspect is the "directly" clause as mentioned.

There is a case play that supports this. I remember reading it before I took the exam the other day.


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Raymond Tue Nov 10, 2015 03:56pm
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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 969502)
Concur w/ BigCat. Don't have my book with me, but the thrown ball cannot touch the court OOB before touching or being touched by a player or the court inbounds. The other aspect is the "directly" clause as mentioned.

There is a case play that supports this. I remember reading it before I took the exam the other day.


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That rule is waived for 7 year-old girls games. :)

Camron Rust Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 969503)
That rule is waived for 7 year-old girls games. :)
Among other ones. ;)

riverfalls57 Wed Nov 11, 2015 04:58pm
Case Book 9.2.2.A

Hugh Refner Wed Nov 11, 2015 05:20pm
What's the NF rule here: team A scores a basket. B1 takes the ball OOB on the endline. B2 is also standing OOB on the endline. B1 can pass the ball to B2 legally, but can the pass be a bounce pass?

Raymond Wed Nov 11, 2015 06:14pm
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Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 969581)
What's the NF rule here: team A scores a basket. B1 takes the ball OOB on the endline. B2 is also standing OOB on the endline. B1 can pass the ball to B2 legally, but can the pass be a bounce pass?
Why not?

crosscountry55 Wed Nov 11, 2015 07:30pm
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Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 969581)
What's the NF rule here: team A scores a basket. B1 takes the ball OOB on the endline. B2 is also standing OOB on the endline. B1 can pass the ball to B2 legally, but can the pass be a bounce pass?

Sure he can. That "pass" is not the throw-in. The rule only applies to the throw-in.


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JMUplayer Thu Nov 12, 2015 03:00pm
To take it a step further can't you technically dribble out of bounds if you wanted (the thrower)

bob jenkins Thu Nov 12, 2015 03:00pm
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Originally Posted by JMUplayer (Post 969660)
To take it a step further can't you technically dribble out of bounds if you wanted (the thrower)
Technically, no.

You can bounce the ball to yourself, though.

Nevadaref Thu Nov 12, 2015 03:17pm
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Originally Posted by JMUplayer (Post 969660)
To take it a step further can't you technically dribble out of bounds if you wanted (the thrower)
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 969662)
Technically, no.

You can bounce the ball to yourself, though.
And the reason for Bob's answer is that the dribbling and traveling rules don't apply during a throw-in. See the Rules Fundamentals near the back of the book.

Camron Rust Thu Nov 12, 2015 03:44pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 969662)
Technically, no.

You can bounce the ball to yourself, though.
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 969664)
And the reason for Bob's answer is that the dribbling and traveling rules don't apply during a throw-in. See the Rules Fundamentals near the back of the book.
Interesting. I always interpreted that to mean the limitations on dribbling don't apply....that a player isn't required to do so legally. But, that it was still a dribble when a player is bouncing the ball but can't commit a dribbling (or traveling) violation.

It is just semantics and we get to the same spot either way, but I've just thought about it differently.

bob jenkins Thu Nov 12, 2015 04:58pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 969667)
Interesting. I always interpreted that to mean the limitations on dribbling don't apply....that a player isn't required to do so legally. But, that it was still a dribble when a player is bouncing the ball but can't commit a dribbling (or traveling) violation.

It is just semantics and we get to the same spot either way, but I've just thought about it differently.
Given the relatively recent change in the definition of PC, you are probably right that it doesn't matter.

Before that, though, a player couldn't dribble while OOB (because s/he didn't have PC).

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Nov 12, 2015 05:39pm
The title of this thread bothers me, since you wouldn't have an throw-in from inbounds. :D


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