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Scratch85 Thu Oct 29, 2015 08:21pm

15-17 Officials Manual "Bump and Run"
 
I received the new Officials manual today and for the most part, think it is an improvement over past years. However, the "bump and run" described in Diagram 5-15 is not how I have done it over the last 20 years.

5.2.E.3 If the ball goes out of bounds in the backcourt on Centers sideline and there is a change of possession, the Center will slide down court to administer the throw-in and become the new Trail. The old Trail will move to become the new Lead and the old Lead will move down court to become the new Center. See Diagram 5-15.

The diagram shows all players in the frontcourt. The ball goes out of bounds in the backcourt on the Center's side. The old Trail goes downcourt and crosses the endline to become the new Lead making the old Center the new Trail. The old Lead slides down to the new Center.

In my experience, the old Lead would bump the old Center to the new Lead and become the new Trail. The old Trail would become the new Center. How do you "bump and run" in this sitch? Have we been doing this differently than the rest of the world in my area?

BigCat Thu Oct 29, 2015 08:57pm

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 968739)
I received the new Officials manual today and for the most part, think it is an improvement over past years. However, the "bump and run" described in Diagram 5-15 is not how I have done it over the last 20 years.

5.2.E.3 If the ball goes out of bounds in the backcourt on Centers sideline and there is a change of possession, the Center will slide down court to administer the throw-in and become the new Trail. The old Trail will move to become the new Lead and the old Lead will move down court to become the new Center. See Diagram 5-15.

The diagram shows all players in the frontcourt. The ball goes out of bounds in the backcourt on the Center's side. The old Trail goes downcourt and crosses the endline to become the new Lead making the old Center the new Trail. The old Lead slides down to the new Center.

In my experience, the old Lead would bump the old Center to the new Lead and become the new Trail. The old Trail would become the new Center. How do you "bump and run" in this sitch? Have we been doing this differently than the rest of the world in my area?

We use the mid court line. If the ball goes out in the back court and we are going the other way as you describe then the center would administer the throw in and trail would become new lead. if the ball went out in the front court and was going the other way then the lead would go over and become new trail. bump center to new lead....

Similarly, if team A is bringing ball up court and team B kncoks it out of bounds on center side...still in backcourt then the trail will go over and bump the center to lead. If team B knocked the ball out on C sideline in frontcourt then the C would become new trail and administer throw in. lead stays lead and goes over.
that's way we've always done it.

bob jenkins Fri Oct 30, 2015 07:52am

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 968739)
I received the new Officials manual today and for the most part, think it is an improvement over past years. However, the "bump and run" described in Diagram 5-15 is not how I have done it over the last 20 years.

5.2.E.3 If the ball goes out of bounds in the backcourt on Centers sideline and there is a change of possession, the Center will slide down court to administer the throw-in and become the new Trail. The old Trail will move to become the new Lead and the old Lead will move down court to become the new Center. See Diagram 5-15.

The diagram shows all players in the frontcourt. The ball goes out of bounds in the backcourt on the Center's side. The old Trail goes downcourt and crosses the endline to become the new Lead making the old Center the new Trail. The old Lead slides down to the new Center.

In my experience, the old Lead would bump the old Center to the new Lead and become the new Trail. The old Trail would become the new Center. How do you "bump and run" in this sitch? Have we been doing this differently than the rest of the world in my area?

I wouldn't call this play a "bump and run." Once the ball is in the FC, then the official responsible for the line administers the throw-in (assuming there's no change of possession involved).

If the ball starts in the BC, and stays in the BC, then the T administers the throw-in, no matter on which sideline <-- this is the "bump and run"

BillyMac Fri Oct 30, 2015 04:35pm

Midcourt Line Is A Dinosaur, Extinct ...
 
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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 968744)
We use the mid court line.

Division line?

BigCat Fri Oct 30, 2015 05:52pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 968792)
Division line?

That works too....

BillyMac Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:43pm

Misty Water Color Memories ...
 
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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 968797)
That works too....

I'm sure that the Basketball Hall of Fame, in Springfield, Massachusetts, has a stone tablet with the following engraved, "The midcourt line separates the forecourt from the midcourt". Like the peach basket, this rule followed the dinosaurs to extinction. Speaking of dinosaurs, Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is probably the only Forum member, besides yours truly, to work a game with a midcourt line.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:04am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 968807)
I'm sure that the Basketball Hall of Fame, in Springfield, Massachusetts, has a stone tablet with the following engraved, "The midcourt line separates the forecourt from the midcourt". Like the peach basket, this rule followed the dinosaurs to extinction. Speaking of dinosaurs, Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is probably the only Forum member, besides yours truly, to work a game with a midcourt line.


I would be willing to bet that Mark Padgett would be the third person on the Forum to remember forecourts and midcourts.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:35pm

And, Where Are My Glasses ???
 
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 968843)
I would be willing to bet that Mark Padgett would be the third person on the Forum to remember forecourts and midcourts.

Remember? I'd be willing to bet that, at his age, Mark Padgett can't remember what he ate for breakfast this morning.

Now, where are my keys?

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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Nov 01, 2015 03:17pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 968849)
Remember? I'd be willing to bet that, at his age, Mark Padgett can't remember what he ate for breakfast this morning.

Now, where are my keys?

https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M3c...=0&w=300&h=300


What do yo mean I am not wearing any pants? :eek:

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sun Nov 01, 2015 03:38pm

Jump Start ...
 
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 968853)
What do yo mean I am not wearing any pants?

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