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Maybe we should ALL simply agree that TEXT messages cannot accurately convey the underlying TONE or INTENT of a post or the poster, and end this discussion on that note before it degenerates into yet another "he said/you said" pi$$ing contest. What do you say, Mr Deputy Scheriff?  Cheers
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I think another mistake that was made here that I've not seen mentioned is that your final decision was to call a BOOT infraction.
BOOT is an appeal play. The situation was not appealed, but the penalty was still imposed by the officials. Even your chosen remedy was not in accordance with the rules when you made the decision to remedy the previous errors. That is not meant to fault your decision, but only to highlight that when looking for a remedy to a third world situation you need to look for something supported by the rules and supported by fairness for the situation. While offense, defense, or officials could have been alert to note the irregularity as it occurred---none did. Still, the final outcome allowed the defense to benefit from the situation when they had done absolutely nothing to earn that benefit. Freix
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You're right that I've never mistakenly put the ball in play or awarded undeserved bases. I guess when I was young and green I got lucky and didn't make any errors like that. Now, though, I know better and the reason I don't make those kinds of mistakes are because I carefully check the field constantly to make sure the runners and fielders are all where they're supposed to be. That's a good habit to get into.
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"I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed. And the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I can fail and keep trying." Experience can be expensive, but my God, it is a good teacher. Keep tryin' man! 
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Oh, I never said I didn't make any mistakes. I just didn't make that particular mistake. Believe me, I've made my fair share. I'm making considerably fewer mistakes these days, though.
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Originally posted by Alligator Bag
Here is the sitch. Runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out. 3-0 count and I from B position call balk. Score R3 and place R2 at 3rd. Junior high game. I go to home book and ask to see it and find out if I missed placing the runner. As it turns out, runner on 1st was batter and had a 3-0 count when he took off for 1st after the balk. Now what?! After much thought this is what I went with. I called batting out of order. I placed runner from 3rd who scored back to 3rd. Called the proper batter, now runner at 2nd, out. And placed the batter who grounded out, the proper batter, back at the plate to bat. Did I kick this or do you have anything else? First things first. DO NOT go to the HOME-BOOK. IMO, that's the same as loosing the count and then asking the coach what the count is. Whenever, there is confusion the first thing to do is GO TO YOUR PARTNER to settle it. I would not have called BOO. IMO, there's 2 trains of thought. First one. Both the OFFENSE / DEFENSE should know the rules and KNOW what's going on. If the defensive coach was paying attention, he /she should have immediately requested TIME and asked what was B1 doing on first base. He didn't. IMO that's a similar scenario to BOO, meaning if the Defense isn't smart enough to catch it - TOO Bad. Just ask Mr. Torre of the Yanks. Therefore, you could let play stand. Second one. As others have said "Do Over" meaning put everything back the way it was After the Balk call. The problem with that approach is: Suppose the batter hit one out of the park. Why should the HR be negated because of an umpire error. Your ENTIRE situation could have easily been avoided if 1. You met with your partner first. You noticed B1 on First - Leave him there. The way out is to say B1 originally walked. After all as mentioned the defense did not question B1 in the first place. Therefore, in summary your BIGGEST mistake was going to the Home Book First and not consulting with your partner. Then you compounded matters by calling BOO. Whever, one messes up, Call TIME consult with one another and come up with the best solution. Also, talk about it after the game to avoid in the future. Pete Booth
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Mr. Booth,
I went to my partner first PU and asked him where runner came from, he replied he didn't know. That is when I went to home book. I believe I stated that in original post, but may have skipped it. I now know I should have waited for an appeal for BOOT but probably knowing in the back of my mind this could all have been avoided, once I got to what sounded like a fair decision and a remedy to #%^&ed up play, I bounced on it. We talked about it afterward and I was disgusted with myself for taking for granted in a Jr. High game, my partner who is not the strongest official, would be fine and I let my guard down. Fool my once shame on you, fool my twice, shame on me! NEVER AGAIN.
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