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2 rules i ran into this weekend
1. we had a balk on the pitcher with a man on third, pitch was called a strike. is this a delayed dead ball? obviously runner gets third but does the strike count with the batter?
2. after a home run hit over the fence, the batter was given a high five by the 3rd base coach as he rounded the bag and by a teammate just before he touches the plate, is the batter out? we are using major league rules in this tournament. i would like to know the rules in both mlb and nfhs. thanks |
in situation 1, runner was on second and was awarded third on the balk. i made a typo.
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1. In your case, the ball is dead when the pitch is caught (OBR). It's immediately dead on the balk (NFHS). Move the runner, cancel the pitch (both).
2. No (both). |
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"2 clowns I ran into this weekend." |
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Gosh, I wish Mitch Williams was on the offended team in each of these plays.
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But the real question in my mind is: Did the player's manager protest the call? |
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So easy to complain about bad umpires after the fact. But most of those guys don't get better because they go home thinking they got it all right. Unless a supervisor happens to be watching when they screw up, they don't get better. I wish coaches would protest calls when they have a case ... like in this one. |
I agree about the protest option....I assume no need to protest calling a strike on a balk unless it caused a strikeout but certainly would have to protest the HR takeaway...get your $100 bill out and have them call the UIC or TD before the next pitch.
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I spent my first ten years strictly umpiring Little League Baseball. Never got paid a dime. But I read rule books, case books, and authoritative interpretations, attended clinics, and actively participated in a number of internet discussion boards. I also encouraged my fellow volunteer umpires to do the same. |
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And they "get by" with this nonsense all season until their tournaments... and the other "real" umpires and I leave the place stunned and with tons of stories like those I just mentioned. |
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We're also HS and college umpires in the spring. 3 of us have worked (or will work) HS state. There are a ton of bad LL umpires and there are a ton of bad paid umpires who show up and "try" to "work" 6-7 games in a day not caring at all about the work except for the part where they get paid. In the end, this has very little to do with volunteer/paid or LL/travel or any of that crap. It has to do with pride and being mentored by the right people along the way and wanting to be as good as one can be. I don't work any harder for that college check than I do for the LL kids. |
Rich, I think there are a few pockets out there, like yours, where the "real umpires" do work LL. A friend of mine in Oregon has nothing but positives to say about the LL umpires in his area.
But I think that what I run into is more common, across the country. |
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Worse - I hear he called another tie during league play, with no partner, the following season. Don't know how that one got resolved. |
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A paid Little League Ump
I will say this first, baseball is not my #1 sport, actually more like #3. However, I give it my be effort every time I am on the field. I have never done things like you mention other "Little League" umpires have done and I have worked many Regional All Star games in my 5 years of Umpiring. Here is a situation I had last night in a 9/10 yr old game. Bottom of 1st lead off batter is very short. Pitch crosses the outside corner at the knee. I call strike, and the home HC grumbles from in front of the dugout. After the batter struck out, the HC states loudly to the batter "that's ok the Ump owes you one". I let the HC know that I am not going to listen to those types of comments all game. I start to return to the plate and he mouths off more, so I instruct him to get into the dug out. HC then states "so you are going to boss me around because I argued one G-D call. He was then removed from the game and area. Best part was I didn't have to report this as the Pres. of the leagues son is on the HC team and the Pres heard it all.
Did I do right or would you say this was done by a "Little League Ump"? |
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MD, I understand what you are saying, but I don't believe Little League actually has that as an option. The coaches are supposed to be in the dugout unless they are coaching at 1st or 3rd. I normally don't pay much attention to where they are as long as it is not a problem and they are behaving. Since he didn't want to behave, I decided to enforce the rule.
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Don't have a problem with the way you handled this situation however, be consistent. You can't let the coach stand there and then enforce the rules when you feel like it. Then you are causing problems for yourself.
What other rules do you pick and choose when you are to enforce or not? Where does it stop? Being consistent, does not just apply to your strike zone. |
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The degree to which the 'must be in the dugout' rule is enforced is directly proportional to the degree of douchbaggery on the field. |
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Real umpires do work LL in my neck of the woods along with some unreal ones. Tournament time they get real umpires. |
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