2013 World Series Thread

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Just this last post season, had a coach who thought I should get a second opinion on (1) a pulled foot at first and (2) a tag play at second.

When I said no on the second one, he said, "That's the second time you've refused to go for help! You need to get over that!"

Really?

Rita

I think we care too much about what a coach thinks. I have no problem refusing "help" when I am doing nothing but watching a play and I know my partner cannot do much to help or does not have the look I have. They will get over it.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Great call by Jim Joyce.

Peace

[rpumpire]

So, how many times are we umpires going to have to explain rule 7.06 to people over the next few days?

Amazing game, amazing call, amazing ending!

Joe Torre, Jim Joyce, John Hirschbeck, and Dana Demuth on the call.

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[canuckrefguy]

Have to say, from a spectator's perspective, I was most impressed with how calmly and authoritatively the two umpires handled this. A model of professionalism.

[sbatten]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

I was most impressed with how calmly and authoritatively the two umpires handled this. A model of professionalism.

+1

It seemed like a textbook call, but Joyce and Dumuth sold it immediately. They left no room for doubt and did a good job of defusing a potential mess. Great work.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by sbatten

It seemed like a textbook call...

No, it WAS a textbook call.

No doubt about it, no matter how many people complain that Middlebrooks couldn't do anything about it. I had to laugh with someone (might've been Salty) who thought Craig went out of the baseline when he got up and started for home. Make a good throw, Salty, and none of this would've taken place.

[blueump]

I'm not disputing the obstruction call except if you watch, the base runner never touched the plate. Nevertheless he was called safe, which of course is the correct call until the missed base is appealed by the defense.

Realistically, how does the defense appeal such a play (final play of the game) when the umpires leave the field so quickly?

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Amazing game, amazing call, amazing ending!

Joe Torre, Jim Joyce, John Hirschbeck, and Dana Demuth on the call.

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gotta love how Torre literally pulled out the book to demonstrate...

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Great call by Jim Joyce.

Peace

Come on, you've got to let the players decide the game...plus you can't call that in the WORLD SERIES!

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by APG

Come on, you've got to let the players decide the game...plus you can't call that in the WORLD SERIES!

No, players don't decide the game when the rules are violated. You make that call whenever it happens. It doesn't matter if it's the world series or not. The rule was violated, and there you are.

[aceholleran]

Two burning questions:

a) Shouldn't Demuth have called "time" as soon as the tag was applied, then given the award?

b) what if Craig stays at third? Any award?

[Illini_Ref]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

Two burning questions:

a) Shouldn't Demuth have called "time" as soon as the tag was applied, then given the award?

b) what if Craig stays at third? Any award?

a) I think that if a play is being made on the obstructed runner then the umpire calling the obstruction (Jim Joyce) should kill the play and make the award.

b) I think that the contact only happened after he made a move towards home so I say OBS regardless, even if he turned around and returned to third IF in the judgement of Joyce the reason he didn't advance was due to the OBS.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

a) I think that if a play is being made on the obstructed runner then the umpire calling the obstruction (Jim Joyce) should kill the play and make the award.

b) I think that the contact only happened after he made a move towards home so I say OBS regardless, even if he turned around and returned to third IF in the judgement of Joyce the reason he didn't advance was due to the OBS.

At the point that the ball passed Middlebrook a new play started in which the runner was attemping to go home. This was Type B or Type 2 OBS and is a delayed dead ball.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

Two burning questions:

a) Shouldn't Demuth have called "time" as soon as the tag was applied, then given the award?

b) what if Craig stays at third? Any award?

a)I agree, according to the PBUC manual should have called time and then enforce. He signaled safe and then pointed to Joyce.

b) Then that is where he is. If the runner never attempts to go home, then you can't assume he would have made it there safely or not. I think Joe Torre refers to the Tejada play several year ago when even though he was obstructed he quit running and returned to third.