2013 World Series Thread

[scrounge]

the pool reporter transcript post-game by the umpires and Torre...

ASAP Sports Transcripts - Baseball - 2013 - MLB WORLD SERIES: CARDINALS v RED SOX - October 23 - Dana DeMuth - John Hirschbeck - Joe Torre

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

YI really can't see why DeMuth thought that there was voluntary release. I tried to play it from every angle and I just cannot see it.

Originally Posted by scrounge

the pool reporter transcript post-game by the umpires and Torre...

ASAP Sports Transcripts - Baseball - 2013 - MLB WORLD SERIES: CARDINALS v RED SOX - October 23 - Dana DeMuth - John Hirschbeck - Joe Torre

In the clip of the play it is pretty clear that Demuth's head is turned, looking at the feet for the neighborhood play. The transcript of the post-game conversation seems to confirm this. Demuth had a couple things to watch, and the tip off the glove happened while he was looking elsewhere, at the worst time possible. It was really a perfect storm.

I don't think the signal to offer help is converging on the guy, he probably glanced around and saw every umpire giving him "the look".

Does anyone think that the umpires would have gathered even if Farrell missed the play and did not come out?

[Mountaincoach]

Originally Posted by scrounge

the pool reporter transcript post-game by the umpires and Torre...

ASAP Sports Transcripts - Baseball - 2013 - MLB WORLD SERIES: CARDINALS v RED SOX - October 23 - Dana DeMuth - John Hirschbeck - Joe Torre

Thanks for posting that. Very interesting and revealing. I love what Joe Torre pointed out-- "JOE TORRE: One thing for you to know, he didn't miss a call all year. And he still hasn't missed a call all year. "

[jicecone]

"And in that group, you're in that group?
DANA DeMUTH: Yeah.
JOHN HIRSCHBECK: We're all there. He's standing there listening.
JOE TORRE: They're a team."

And there in lies the point of which I believe many Baseball officials in the past have failed to understand.

When the team gets together and make the correct decision they All look good. Conversly when the team or individual refuses to get together, they ALL look bad. And no, this is not applicable to every single play or scenario on the field.

I have asked many coaches, "Are you upset that we got the call right or that we changed the call?"

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

Thanks for posting that. Very interesting and revealing. I love what Joe Torre pointed out-- "JOE TORRE: One thing for you to know, he didn't miss a call all year. And he still hasn't missed a call all year. "

Is it just me, or should Joe Torre have stayed out of this press conference altogether? Who made him MLB's advocate for umpires?

[PeteBooth]

Manny do you know why Fox discontinued using Steve Palermo in the booth to explain certain situations?

I liked it when Palermo was in the booth. That way McCarver was kept in check and we did not have to listen to him or Buck butcher another rule interp.

Joe should have taken after his father Jack. Jack Buck at one time was a football referee. To this day IMO, Jack was one of the few (or perhaps only) play by play person who actually knew the rules.

Pete Booth

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Manny do you know why Fox discontinued using Steve Palermo in the booth to explain certain situations?

Pete, not really. Pure speculation, but I'm guessing that there just wasn't enough demand for his services.

How often in a typical game does a situation requiring an umpire's perspective take place? I cannot recall, for example, anything happening in Game 2 last night that would have been worthy of Palermo's input. Even the base awards following Breslow's errant throw was pretty cut and dried. Some of the more mundane things like whether or not an umpire was in the ideal position for a play, whether or not a warning should have been issued for a plunked batter, etc., just isn't sexy enough for an extensive discussion.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Is it just me, or should Joe Torre have stayed out of this press conference altogether? Who made him MLB's advocate for umpires?

The job description for his position as MLB's Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations.

That position has responsibility for and oversees...
>Major League Operations
>On Field Operations
>On Field Discipline
>Umpiring

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

The job description for his position as MLB's Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations.

That position has responsibility for and oversees...
>Major League Operations
>On Field Operations
>On Field Discipline
>Umpiring

And you feel that gives Joe the responsibility of putting in his two cents everytime the umpires get questioned by the press? Should he also be sitting next to the managers when they're interviewed about an on-field disciplinary situation, such as when a player gets ejected?

I just didn't think he needed to interject after virtually every answer that was given by each umpire. The umpires are big boys and don't need to have their hands held when in front of the cameras. In the past, umpire interviews entailed the umpire making the controversial call, and his crew chief supporting him. Joe adding fluff such as, "They're a team," and, "He hasn't missed a call all year," adds zero value to the discussion.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Manny A

And you feel that gives Joe the responsibility of putting in his two cents everytime the umpires get questioned by the press? Should he also be sitting next to the managers when they're interviewed about an on-field disciplinary situation, such as when a player gets ejected?

I just didn't think he needed to interject after virtually every answer that was given by each umpire. The umpires are big boys and don't need to have their hands held when in front of the cameras. In the past, umpire interviews entailed the umpire making the controversial call, and his crew chief supporting him. Joe adding fluff such as, "They're a team," and, "He hasn't missed a call all year," adds zero value to the discussion.

How do you know how I feel or what I think?

You asked a question regarding Torre's role with MLB umpires, I posted his MLB title and job description to provide an answer.