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briancurtin Fri Oct 18, 2013 01:15pm
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 907993)
What is the expectation/ruling for distance from the bag in this situation?
on the bag = out
not on the bag = safe

Rich Fri Oct 18, 2013 01:34pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 907988)
Rich:

???? We are supposed to get the call correct every time (at least try to get the call correct every time). And as I stated in my OP, MLB players are the best players in the world. Why should they be held to a lower expectation of performing the game that we would expect of a H.S. player? This call changed how the rest of the inning was played. Instead of runners on a 1B and 2B with zero outs, there was only a runner on 1B with one out.

MTD, Sr.
I'm really not talking about this play in particular. There was a collision in the plate in extra innings earlier in the postseason which was treated as a routine out on the field. Possible, however, that the catcher, in bracing for the collision, never actually tagged the runner. I'll sit back with a bowl of popcorn the first time a play like THAT is challenged and overturned.

APG Fri Oct 18, 2013 02:25pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 907999)
I'm really not talking about this play in particular. There was a collision in the plate in extra innings earlier in the postseason which was treated as a routine out on the field. Possible, however, that the catcher, in bracing for the collision, never actually tagged the runner. I'll sit back with a bowl of popcorn the first time a play like THAT is challenged and overturned.
This is the play Rich is referring to:

Video: Must C Cannon: Beltran's amazing throw saves game | MLB.com

<iframe src='http://wapc.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=31126159&topic_id=11493214&w idth=400&height=224&property=mlb' width='400' height='224' frameborder='0'>Your browser does not support iframes.</iframe>

The best look starts at the 2:00 mark.

cmckenna Fri Oct 18, 2013 02:27pm
Check out this related article about this exact play and how replay might fix it :-) They also suggest implementing the FPSR in MLB

Y! SPORTS

MD Longhorn Fri Oct 18, 2013 02:56pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 908009)
This is the play Rich is referring to:

Video: Must C Cannon: Beltran's amazing throw saves game | MLB.com

<iframe src='http://wapc.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=31126159&topic_id=11493214&w idth=400&height=224&property=mlb' width='400' height='224' frameborder='0'>Your browser does not support iframes.</iframe>

The best look starts at the 2:00 mark.
Safe!

AremRed Fri Oct 18, 2013 03:07pm
Insofar as still pictures can give us solid evidence, it looks like a tag to me:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWWT7arCUAEZ9OI.jpg:large

hbk314 Fri Oct 18, 2013 06:37pm
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 908016)
Insofar as still pictures can give us solid evidence, it looks like a tag to me:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWWT7arCUAEZ9OI.jpg:large
That angle's as deceptive as the one Rich posted for the neighborhood play. If you watch the video, especially a second or two after that screenshot is taken, it's clear no tag occurred.

jicecone Fri Oct 18, 2013 08:14pm
"They also suggest implementing the FPSR in MLB".

And when this happens then and only then will the neighborhood play no longer be called. You may like that but, that's Baseball.

bob jenkins Fri Oct 18, 2013 08:22pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 907988)
Rich:

???? We are supposed to get the call correct every time (at least try to get the call correct every time).
The call that's correct for the game isn't always the call that's technically correct by the rule. Or, at least it hasn't been.

UMP45 Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:09am
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Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 907994)
on the bag = out
not on the bag = safe
Wrong. On the bag=out. Off the bag=out.

JJ Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:42am
He WAS in the zip code, but when he caught the ball he was LEAVING the zip code. :p

JJ

Rich Ives Sat Oct 19, 2013 01:57pm
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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 908024)
That angle's as deceptive as the one Rich posted for the neighborhood play. If you watch the video, especially a second or two after that screenshot is taken, it's clear no tag occurred.
Actually it's clear that it is inconclusive.

Rich Ives Sat Oct 19, 2013 02:01pm
I watch quite a bit of MLB and I was really surprised to see the neighborhood calls. I'd bet I haven't seen more than one a year for quite a while now. TV replay and slo-mo (not official but nonetheless damning) has pretty much killed it. There's very much a focus on the correctness of calls. Times are a changin' - it's time to go along for the ride.

hbk314 Sat Oct 19, 2013 06:43pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 908062)
Actually it's clear that it is inconclusive.
No.

johnnyg08 Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:55pm
Was the play argued? Were there ejections? I'm sure the players, manager, staff all have a dog in the fight. They obviously expect that to be an out. I didn't see the game where this play occurred.

I'm not arguing that the "correct" call is safe....but if they don't come unglued about it, and trust me I'm sure they saw it the exact same way that we did, this is an example of where replay is bad in baseball


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