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maven Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:33pm
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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 877720)
He was on the 3rd base side...did you mean he SHOULD have been on 1B side?
Softball: who knows?

Baseball: dash already provided the best mechanic, namely start at POP and adjust, which usually takes you to 3BLX.

MD Longhorn Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:43pm
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Originally Posted by Justme561 (Post 877262)
I have a difference of opinion with a fellow umpire that maybe you guys can help with.

We were working a college scrimmage today and had the following play.

Runner on 2B. The batter hits a ground ball to left field. The runner from 2B rounds 3rd and heads for home. The left fielder throws it to the 3rd baseman, who has moved toward the outfield grass, who then throws to home. There's a close sliding play at home.

The question is where should U1 have been positioned to make the call?
U1 should be near 2nd base prepared to make a call on the batter.

MD Longhorn Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:46pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 877269)
Assuming U1 means the plate umpire, he should be at the point of the plate to read the throw home and adjust accordingly. Usually, the place to be is the 3rd base line extended.

The PU also has R2's touch of 3rd base.
My bad - I assumed the OP meant what he said. Your assumption makes more sense.

I echo the "you were at a college scrimmage and this was a point of contention" question, as this is extremely straightforward.

Does PU have R2's touch in 3-man? (I agree in 2-man, but college scrimmage, I'm thinking it's 3, and doesn't U3 have that touch?)

MD Longhorn Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:51pm
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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 877720)
He was on the 3rd base side...did you mean he SHOULD have been on 1B side?
He said he was at 1BLX. He meant he was at 1BLX... because the umpire WAS at 1BLX. What exactly are you "correcting" here?

dash_riprock Thu Feb 07, 2013 02:55pm
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 877746)
Does PU have R2's touch in 3-man? (I agree in 2-man, but college scrimmage, I'm thinking it's 3, and doesn't U3 have that touch?)
PU has R2's touch of 3d with 2 outs or anytime U1 or U3 goes out. Otherwise, R3 has it.

Justme561 Thu Feb 07, 2013 05:13pm
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 877746)
My bad - I assumed the OP meant what he said. Your assumption makes more sense.

I echo the "you were at a college scrimmage and this was a point of contention" question, as this is extremely straightforward.

Does PU have R2's touch in 3-man? (I agree in 2-man, but college scrimmage, I'm thinking it's 3, and doesn't U3 have that touch?)
Maybe scrimmage was the wrong word to use, it was an intra-squad scrimmage (red vs blue), working on different situations and letting all of the pitchers get some work. It's good work for the umpires too, most only work FED, JUCO or D3 ball. Only 2 of us showed up. We try to have 3 umpires out there and sometimes 4 but not that day.

egj13 Thu Feb 07, 2013 06:06pm
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 877747)
He said he was at 1BLX. He meant he was at 1BLX... because the umpire WAS at 1BLX. What exactly are you "correcting" here?
Ignore...mis-read

x-tremeump Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:07pm
xtreamump
 
Start at POP and move, on line throw 1BLX, possible off line throw 3BLX and if needed move around to the infield area. Works every Time BB & SB.

zm1283 Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:25am
1BLX is pretty much going the way of the Dodo bird. You can get the same look by staying on F2's left hip and letting him dictate your positioning.

x-tremeump Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:41am
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 877837)
1BLX is pretty much going the way of the Dodo bird. You can get the same look by staying on F2's left hip and letting him dictate your positioning.
If you have an on line throw, with the runner out by 3 feet, F1 standing just in front of the dish, Where does the DODO Bird make his observation & call from ????

johnnyg08 Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:09am
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Originally Posted by xtreamump (Post 877853)
If you have an on line throw, with the runner out by 3 feet, F1 standing just in front of the dish, Where does the DODO Bird make his observation & call from ????
Point of the plate.

zm1283 Fri Feb 08, 2013 01:12pm
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Originally Posted by xtreamump (Post 877853)
If you have an on line throw, with the runner out by 3 feet, F1 standing just in front of the dish, Where does the DODO Bird make his observation & call from ????
Most runners, even if out by three feet, are going to hook slide and you'll get a swipe tag. That or they will give themselves up. At amateur levels, they aren't usually going to crash the catcher, so you're not going to have a collision play requiring you to go 1BLX.

UMP45 Fri Feb 08, 2013 01:50pm
Start at point of the plate. Read play and adjust. They also now teach if you read a swipe to stay on the catchers hip. Also called "watch the wallet".

x-tremeump Fri Feb 08, 2013 09:03pm
xtreamump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 877904)
most runners, even if out by three feet, are going to hook slide and you'll get a swipe tag. That or they will give themselves up. At amateur levels, they aren't usually going to crash the catcher, so you're not going to have a collision play requiring you to go 1blx.
+1 you me and the dodo bird

bluehair Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 877904)
Most runners, even if out by three feet, are going to hook slide and you'll get a swipe tag. That or they will give themselves up. At amateur levels, they aren't usually going to crash the catcher, so you're not going to have a collision play requiring you to go 1BLX.
Ball in F2 mitt in plenty of time, runner is going straight in, getting a foot through to the plate while a tag is being applied, you can't see which happen first in 3BLX (you can't even see the tag, your view is blocked by F2). Best view here would be 1BLX.

I've met umpires that only used 1BLX, then learned the benefit of 3BLX and now think that 3BLX is the only place to be. You can't just scrap 1BLX. Start at POP, read, and move.


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