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Dakota Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:01pm
Judgment call, so protest goes nowhere, but it was poor judgment IMO.

tmagan Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 857152)
U3 called it from 3rd base. I can easily see it both ends of the stick on this one. Take your pick. The protest is a no-brainer denial.
Only after the left field umpire called it. You and I know Nelson wouldn't have called it without Holbrook preceding it

tmagan Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:22pm
Here is how rule should be rewritten:
  • Less than two outs.
  • Ball is a pop-fly.
  • Ball is fair.
  • Runners at least on first and second.
  • Fly ball is, at its zenith, not more than a foot behind the grass cutout beginning the outfield.
  • If in doubt, do not call the 'infield fly rule.'

Ump29 Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:27pm
Clearly not an infield fly. Bad call.

dash_riprock Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmagan (Post 857155)
Only after the left field umpire called it. You and I know Nelson wouldn't have called it without Holbrook preceding it
OK I didn't see that clip. If Nelson was just mirroring the outfield ump's call, then I agree he wasn't going to call it himself.

DG Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmagan (Post 857156)
Here is how rule should be rewritten:
  • Less than two outs.
  • Ball is a pop-fly.
  • Ball is fair.
  • Runners at least on first and second.
  • Fly ball is, at its zenith, not more than a foot behind the grass cutout beginning the outfield.
  • If in doubt, do not call the 'infield fly rule.'
The first 4 bullets are already rule. Ordinary effort is required and that can happen several feet behind the grass. At it's zenith you don't know where it will land, but you should know by then whether an infielder can catch with ordinary effort.

The last bullet can't be written into rule.

dash_riprock Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ump29 (Post 857158)
Clearly not an infield fly. Bad call.
It's not clear at all. Maybe it wasn't a very wise call, but it was not, by rule, incorrect.

Ump29 Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 857161)
It's not clear at all. Maybe it wasn't a very wise call, but it was not, by rule, incorrect.
IMO way too deep for IFF.

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Protest has been denied by MLB.

rulesmaven Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 857150)
Baseball Mathmetics 101:

(Unusual play + Correct call) + Stupid Fans who do not know the rules = Mayhem
Where in the calculus does "poorly named rule" come in? Tough to blame fans and announcers for thinking the rule is what the rules drafters named it. I guess "ordinary infielder effort" rule isn't so catchy.

Or maybe the name of the rule is a good indicator of what the drafters intended in which case this call is a tough one.

dash_riprock Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ump29 (Post 857163)
IMO way too deep for IFF.
But that's not how the rules define an infield fly.

Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly) Comment: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder—not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the base lines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder.

JugglingReferee Fri Oct 05, 2012 08:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 857168)
But that's not how the rules define an infield fly.

Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly) Comment: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder—not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the base lines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder.
From this definition, it looks like a good call.

tmagan Fri Oct 05, 2012 09:03pm
Give credit to MLB Network, they showed a play from May 16th in Wrigley where the 'infield fly rule' was called at nearly the exact point that it was in tonight's game.

tmagan Fri Oct 05, 2012 09:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DG (Post 857160)
The first 4 bullets are already rule. Ordinary effort is required and that can happen several feet behind the grass. At it's zenith you don't know where it will land, but you should know by then whether an infielder can catch with ordinary effort.

The last bullet can't be written into rule.
Sure it can, in the NFL, referees are instructed that if they are in doubt, you can call roughing the passer.


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