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Good evening. Im a 9year football official with a baseball question.

I coach my sons little league team. We are not an official little league...we play by league rules (basic stuff) and then everything else is governed by nfhs rules. Ironically I don't think Ive ever seen a league official or umpire with a rule book.

With a runner on 3rd and two out, my batter hits a ground ball. Its fielded cleanly however the 1st baseman drops the throw. While this is going on, the runner on 3rd crosses the plate. The batter then decides to head to 2nd where he is thrown out as the first baseman recovered and threw to 2nd. The other team said the run doesn't count because of the "continuation" rule. Whatever that is. We maintain that the run counted because the batter was safe at first and the run scored long before the out was then made at 2nd.

The coach of the other team said this happened to them previously so the umps took his side and thus we lost our run

I have no idea what the correct ruling is as Im a football guy. Shame on me for not knowing the book but its 3rd and 4th graders. I didn't want to make a scene either.

Thanks for the help.

Tony

"They" were wrong. There is no such "continuation rule".

The run would not score if the third out was made before the runner touched hime OR the third out was a force (it wasn't ) or the third but was made by the batter BEFORE he touched first (it waasn't).

The run scoires. LL rules, Official Rules, High School rules, NCAA rules, any baseball rules.

And if you aren't official Little League you should not refer to your league as Little League.

How much do you pay to be part of this league (including what you provide the team as a coach)? Are there any alternative leagues? Go along and get along otherwise. This is a goat rope.

Run should count in any baseball game where you're keeping score...heck even if you're not keeping score.

thanks guys....my football officiating helps me keep coaching the little ones in perspective

T

Tony-

First of all, welcome to the forum! Jump over to the football section and become a regular member! We always enjoy adding new people to the mix.

I literally laughed out loud at the above statement. Tony, have you seen a football official with a rulebook during a game? I certainly haven't seen a rule book at either of the three sports I officiate (besides the locker room/car where participants are not).

Once again, welcome to the forum!

-Josh

Rule book, where can I find one of those? Seriously, I am curious, was the run that was disallowed the tying run in the last half inning of the game? Perhaps the 'continuation' rule was to prevent extra innings? Dinner was getting cold.

Good grief. He used lower case letters, indicating the generic term.

It's not generic, it's a registered trademark. No different than IBM, Ford, Microsoft, etc. and it's protected by law.

And I thought umpires prided themselves on knowing the rules and applying them properly.

We do. Just like Little League® coaches pride themselves on being anal retentive.

So, can we expect you to use the proper registered trademark character when ever you refer to Little League®?

I umpire YOUTH baseball and Little League and know the difference. There are significant differences in the rules based on what ruleset is being used. When a poster asks question and refers to "little league" instead of youth baseball, the poster should state the correct sanctioning body. It makes a difference on what the proper response should be.

If that is being anal retentive, so be it.

What a nice welcome to this forum for Tony (MUTTS).

I'm just visiting and all, but didn't he clarify all that in the OP.

MUTTS said in his OP that his son's team was not in Little League and my reply was not directed at him. The post was directed at what MrUmpire and Rich Ives said in regard to posts referencing "little league" versus Little League®.

Um ... he does.

The suggestion by Rich that he not use the term Little LeaguecirclearoundtheletterR is fine - because he didn't know better, and now he does. Jumping down his throat for it is the reason newbies leave this place.

:mad:

Check with your local intellectual property lawyer. Trademark protection is very important in the business and legal world. Just because you think it's a joke doesn't mean it is. It's serious business. Brand names matter.

Not all cars are Fords. Not all soft drinks are Coke. And not all youth baseball is Little League.

WOW! That is very serious..... Using little league in a post on officiating.com....... Run Tony, hurry hide the intellectual property police might be after you!

Oops. You forgot the ®.

Companies concerned with protecting their trademark, like Kleenex®, Xerox®, Coca Cola®, insist that the trade mark sign accompany their corporate trade mark.

If you going to preach, practice.

This is so funny, I have to wipe my tears of laughter with a Kleenix...sorry, I mean "tissue."

Yesterday, I had to replace my daughter's Band-Aid...I mean "adhesive bandage."

Little League is what most people call youth baseball in conversation b/c nearly everybody will associate youth baseball w/ the words "little league" so it keeps things simple in conversations.

So ... if a name is copyrighted, no one is allowed to even say it? or type it?

It's a big deal if you're trying to profit off of your product by using a trademark of another product.

Please forgive me ... but just yesterday, I tore a mattress tag off my bedding. I suppose I should be pilloried.

:cool:®

I have registered the "cool" smiley as my trademark. Please forward all requests to use it to my lawyer at the law offices of Dewey, Cheatum, & Howe.

Ed Zachary what my point was.

In my part of the country, when someone says "Let's stop and get a coke", they mean any soft drink, reagrdless of brand. I'm 100% sure the Coca-Cola Company doesn't mind.

I understand that since Dewey and Howe retired, Cheatum has taken on the latest american corporate business plan and sales have triple.

I imagine they're happy about that, just so long as someone doesn't try to market their locally made sodas as "Coca-Cola." No one was marketing this <s>little league</s> local league as being associated with "Little League," and this forum hardly qualifies as an advertisement for this particular league.

All true but I bet you wouldn't be making as big a deal of it if he said he blew his nose in a Kleenex (and it wasn't Kleenex brand) or that he put on a Band-Aid and it was made by Johnson and Johnson.

I have great respect for your umpiring knowledge but you do stand out as a big time Little League Baseball apologist. This isn't the legal world; it is the umpiring world.

Except when a member of Team B commits a foul while A1 is in the Act of Shooting. :D

MTD, Sr.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be associated with Little League anyway.

Rich Ives, get a life.

Picking buggers...:rolleyes:

Personally, I think it's up to the organization to police intellectual property, not some coach from New York who thinks he knows better than every umpire he's ever met.

That's just me, though.

The run is counted. Do you have rule books ? if not you should invest in some. There is no such continuation rule.

Really, I am not being facetious! THANK GOD!

If you don't liike an organizations rules don't join it. It's not a difficult concept. Deriding it as you avoid it isn't very adult of you.

It has been my observation that leagues play what is predominant in the area, they don't select an organization based on the rules or the organization. Little League is not predominant in my area, Babe Ruth is, so leagues play Babe Ruth, or come tournament time there is no one to play close by.

And when said coach always tells me when I nitpick coaches for not knowing the difference between Obstruction and Interference, "You know what he meant." We knew what the OP meant when he said little league, not really Little League®.

Little League®: It's the original...it's the best!:rolleyes:

PUH-LEEZE child!

Amen & Amen. Pass the Cheez Whiz®.

I wonder if Rich asks for facial tissues or Kleenexes™ ?

Someone ping me when next season starts. This site already went down for the off-season.