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MD Longhorn Thu May 17, 2012 08:05am
4 games is a travesty. This is a felony in most states.

That said, while I have no problem with the FU call when warranted, I feel it was nowhere near warranted in this case.

mbyron Thu May 17, 2012 10:05am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 842225)
I feel it was nowhere near warranted in this case.
Do you know the whole story? Not saying I do, but there might be more to it. If not, then I'd agree it's a little much.

Rich Thu May 17, 2012 10:13am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 842225)
4 games is a travesty. This is a felony in most states.

That said, while I have no problem with the FU call when warranted, I feel it was nowhere near warranted in this case.
Pitch f/x says the pitch was borderline (although I think it would easily be called "high" in college/adult games I work locally).

I think it's a huge assumption that this was an FU call.

SanDiegoSteve Thu May 17, 2012 11:06am
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Originally Posted by SAump (Post 842210)
We are not going to discuss balls and strikes. I have seen worse calls this year.
Where, in a LL Minors game?

SanDiegoSteve Thu May 17, 2012 11:12am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 842225)
4 games is a travesty. This is a felony in most states.

That said, while I have no problem with the FU call when warranted, I feel it was nowhere near warranted in this case.
A felony for throwing a helmet on the ground? In what states would this be a felony? Remind me not to travel through them.:confused:

I think Miller would have called strike 3 even if the ball had been higher and farther outside than it already was. That wasn't even a Senior LL strike, which has to be the biggest zone out there.

nopachunts Thu May 17, 2012 11:31am
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 842246)
That wasn't even a Senior LL strike, which has to be the biggest zone out there.
Jr LL is even bigger. For some, this is their first experience with a 60' 6" distance.

SanDiegoSteve Thu May 17, 2012 11:34am
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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 842249)
Jr LL is even bigger. For some, this is their first experience with a 60' 6" distance.
Yeah, forgot about that monstrosity.:)

MD Longhorn Thu May 17, 2012 11:59am
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 842246)
A felony for throwing a helmet on the ground? In what states would this be a felony? Remind me not to travel through them.:confused:

I think Miller would have called strike 3 even if the ball had been higher and farther outside than it already was. That wasn't even a Senior LL strike, which has to be the biggest zone out there.
Yes, that's where he was throwing it ... the ground. OK.:rolleyes:

Rich Thu May 17, 2012 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 842246)
A felony for throwing a helmet on the ground? In what states would this be a felony? Remind me not to travel through them.:confused:

I think Miller would have called strike 3 even if the ball had been higher and farther outside than it already was. That wasn't even a Senior LL strike, which has to be the biggest zone out there.
Did you actually see the Pitch F/X chart? Pitch 5 was clearly outside, but look at pitch 6. Doesn't look *that* high to me based on where MLB sets the strike zone and how they evaluate umpires.

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/...ype=1&s_type=3

thumpferee Thu May 17, 2012 12:35pm
U beat me to it steve.
 
Better Know An Umpire: Bill Miller

SanDiegoSteve Thu May 17, 2012 01:48pm
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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 842255)
Did you actually see the Pitch F/X chart? Pitch 5 was clearly outside, but look at pitch 6. Doesn't look *that* high to me based on where MLB sets the strike zone and how they evaluate umpires.
No, I just saw the pitch from knowing what is and isn't a strike from many years of calling balls and strikes, many more balls and strikes than Miller has EVER called.

SanDiegoSteve Thu May 17, 2012 01:59pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 842252)
Yes, that's where he was throwing it ... the ground. OK.:rolleyes:
Okay then, in what state would throwing a helmet at an umpire be a felony? What's the charge? Assault with intent to make a boo-boo?

I am not excusing moron Lawrie for throwing the helmet folks, but the call was clearly sent as an FU, and was the catalyst for the tirade. Not an excuse for it, but the reason behind it.

If Miller would get a real strike zone, because according the sainted F/X charts, he misses a lot of pitches, it may help.

ozzy6900 Thu May 17, 2012 06:10pm
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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 842231)
...I think it's a huge assumption that this was an FU call.
Really? That was a FU call if I ever saw one! That pitch was going to be a strike no matter where it was (unless it bounced on the ground).

dash_riprock Thu May 17, 2012 08:05pm
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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 842255)
Did you actually see the Pitch F/X chart? Pitch 5 was clearly outside, but look at pitch 6. Doesn't look *that* high to me based on where MLB sets the strike zone and how they evaluate umpires.

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/...ype=1&s_type=3
The chart must be based on the rulebook strikezone. Pitch 6 was not borderline.

MrUmpire Thu May 17, 2012 08:29pm
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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 842188)
I think he was joking.
Judging from his subsequent post, he isn't. He seems to believe that umpire calls justify physical attacks by players. He is either to emotionally involved or SAUmp and Steve Tyler have been right all this time.

Too bad. I used to respect him.


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