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ozzy6900 Wed May 09, 2012 10:47am

2 Balks In The Same Inning
 
I've seen these balks like these in HS ball but never in MLB!

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APG Wed May 09, 2012 11:54am

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BSUmp16 Wed May 09, 2012 03:48pm

The second balk certainly seems to undermine the IITBTSB theory

Forest Ump Wed May 09, 2012 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSUmp16 (Post 840989)
The second balk certainly seems to undermine the IITBTSB theory

He didn't balk to 2nd base. He balked when he started and stopped his pitching motion to home.

Tim C Wed May 09, 2012 04:13pm

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I simply thought it was a "start/stop" balk. Pretty clear to me.

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thumpferee Wed May 09, 2012 06:44pm

Iiitbtsb
 
You're still right Mr. C

I still remember you wanting to kick my arse a couple years ago:mad:

You must be getting soft, a few years ago you would have let BSUmp have it!:cool:

BSUmp16 Wed May 09, 2012 07:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest Ump (Post 840997)
He didn't balk to 2nd base. He balked when he started and stopped his pitching motion to home.

Yeah, I know, but the follow-up move to second made it worth mentioning - if just for fun :)

teccan9nja Wed May 09, 2012 10:10pm

What is "IITBTSB theory"?

Carl Childress Wed May 09, 2012 10:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 841046)
What is "IITBTSB theory"?

Let me have this since I think I was in on the creation of this idea. I posted years ago that a pitcher cannot balk on a move to second: He doesn't have to throw to base, he doesn't have to throw, even if he steps, etc.

That was translated into: It Is Impossible To Balk To Second Base.

That's what the poster meant. He didn't balk on his move to second: IIITBTSB. As Tim said: He started a pitch, stopped a pitch, and that IS a balk.

teccan9nja Wed May 09, 2012 11:06pm

Thanks, i haven't been on these forums very much so i haven't seen the acronym before.

thumpferee Wed May 09, 2012 11:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Childress (Post 841048)
Let me have this since I think I was in on the creation of this idea. I posted years ago that a pitcher cannot balk on a move to second: He doesn't have to throw to base, he doesn't have to throw, even if he steps, etc.

That was translated into: It Is Impossible To Balk To Second Base.

That's what the poster meant. He didn't balk on his move to second: IIITBTSB. As Tim said: He started a pitch, stopped a pitch, and that IS a balk.

Sorry Papa C, thought it was Tim C who originated the theory. Maybe I got the C's mixed up.

Steven Tyler Wed May 09, 2012 11:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Childress (Post 841048)
Let me have this since I think I was in on the creation of this idea. I posted years ago that a pitcher cannot balk on a move to second: He doesn't have to throw to base, he doesn't have to throw, even if he steps, etc.

That was translated into: It Is Impossible To Balk To Second Base.

That's what the poster meant. He didn't balk on his move to second: IIITBTSB. As Tim said: He started a pitch, stopped a pitch, and that IS a balk.

They still have to gain some ground and distance don't they?

RPatrino Thu May 10, 2012 08:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 841064)
They still have to gain some ground and distance don't they?

I suppose if they stay in the stretch and fling the ball across their body. But seriously, the answer is still IIITBTSB, and the answer to this question is distance and direction is inherent in the move to second is it not?

Carl Childress Thu May 10, 2012 03:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 841054)
Sorry Papa C, thought it was Tim C who originated the theory. Maybe I got the C's mixed up.

My records (emails) show I was the first to advise it was impossible to balk on a move to second. I think Tim was the first to write: IIITBTSB.

The idea has been part of my balk lecture since the early 70s. The point: There are things you can do when you move toward first that are illegal.

NOTHING you can do when you move toward second is illegal.

The balk comes on what happens before you move to second..

The balk 99.99% of the time results from the pitcher's starting a pitch and stopping it so he can throw to second. Violagtion of 8.05a.

The .01% occurs when the umpire goes to sleep.

Carl Childress Thu May 10, 2012 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 841020)
You're still right Mr. C

I still remember you wanting to kick my arse a couple years ago:mad:

You must be getting soft, a few years ago you would have let BSUmp have it!:cool:

Well, he's probably wrong, but there's always the possibility that further research ....

To hell with it. Naturally, I don't want to alienate BSump so mcuh that he might not visit my site (carls brd).

But IIITBTSB.

I'll make no comment on what the "BS" in his handle stands for.

Just kidding, guys.


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