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onetime1 Thu May 03, 2012 08:49am

Runner and Fielder collide
 
R2 and R3 1 out Infield in. Ball hit to SS. Runner from 2nd base and SS have a mild collision. SS then throws the ball away at 1B and 2 runs score. Is it a delayed dead ball or immediate dead ball. We ruled runner from 2nd out and put runner back at 3B. No runs scored on the play.Correct?

Rich Ives Thu May 03, 2012 09:03am

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 840025)
R2 and R3 1 out Infield in. Ball hit to SS. Runner from 2nd base and SS have a mild collision. SS then throws the ball away at 1B and 2 runs score. Is it a delayed dead ball or immediate dead ball. We ruled runner from 2nd out and put runner back at 3B. No runs scored on the play.Correct?

It's immediate.

Out and runner placement were correct.

B-R should be at first.

ozzy6900 Thu May 03, 2012 10:47am

It's Interference - ball is dead - no advancements can take place

rbmartin Thu May 03, 2012 10:49am

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 840025)
Runner from 2nd base and SS have a mild collision.

Was the "mild collision" a result of F6 attempting to make a tag play on R2?
Was the ball fielded cleanly or did a bobble cause F6 to move in R2's path?
These conditions could change things a little.

Absent any factors like these, i think you got it right .

Steven Tyler Thu May 03, 2012 12:46pm

Infield playing in, and R2 interferes with F6. What the heck was R2 thinking?

celebur Thu May 03, 2012 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 840072)
Infield playing in, and R2 interferes with F6. What the heck was R2 thinking?

Breaking up a double play made possible by his baserunning error?

JRutledge Thu May 03, 2012 02:12pm

I think I have a charge. I try to call charges anytime I can. ;)

Peace

Steven Tyler Fri May 04, 2012 02:42am

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Originally Posted by celebur (Post 840081)
Breaking up a double play made possible by his baserunning error?

R2 & R3 in the OP. Where was the double play happening?

Sounds like the dumb butt cost his team a run.

In FED I would have gotten two outs here possibly.

SanDiegoSteve Fri May 04, 2012 03:41am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 840085)
I think I have a charge. I try to call charges anytime I can. ;)

Peace

I wish there was a LIKE Button!:)

CT1 Fri May 04, 2012 07:29am

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 840146)
In FED I would have gotten two outs here possibly.

HUH? Where, pray tell, was the "likely" double play absent the INT? F6 played on the BR at first base, which means R3 didn't try to score initially.

If I'm the offensive coach & you call a DP, you can just go ahead & dump me. Then I'm going to get my money's worth!

celebur Fri May 04, 2012 07:57am

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 840146)
R2 & R3 in the OP. Where was the double play happening?

Like I said, due to R2's mistake. If he's close enough to collide with F6, he's put himself in position for a tag out followed by the throw to 1B. That's a cardinal sin!

Quote:

Sounds like the dumb butt cost his team a run.
He needs to learn better bartering skills; it's not a good idea to trade an out at 1B for an out past 2B. ;)

Rich Ives Fri May 04, 2012 08:06am

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Originally Posted by celebur (Post 840081)
Breaking up a double play made possible by his baserunning error?

To get a DP:

In OBR it has to be willfil and deliberate attempt (and pretty obvious) to break it up.

In FED it only needs to br possible.

MikeStrybel Fri May 04, 2012 08:17am

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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 840053)
Was the "mild collision" a result of F6 attempting to make a tag play on R2?
Was the ball fielded cleanly or did a bobble cause F6 to move in R2's path?
These conditions could change things a little.

Absent any factors like these, i think you got it right .

Agreed. These conditions could change things A LOT!

Steven Tyler Fri May 04, 2012 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 840164)
HUH? Where, pray tell, was the "likely" double play absent the INT? F6 played on the BR at first base, which means R3 didn't try to score initially.

If I'm the offensive coach & you call a DP, you can just go ahead & dump me. Then I'm going to get my money's worth!

Out for the interference, and the out at 1B. Umpire decision.

Have fun in the parking lot.

CT1 Fri May 04, 2012 01:28pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 840232)
Out for the interference, and the out at 1B. Umpire decision.

"Umpire decision" my butt.

R2, R3 with the infield playing in. Ground ball to F6 who checks the runners & throws to F3 for the out on the BR. That's what's likely without the INT.

Where's the other out going to come from?


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