Proper mechanics - FED obstruction
 

FED ruleset. 2 umpires. I am HP. Runner on 2nd, no outs. Batter hits cleanly to center, throw coming to F2 from F8. As ball is on flight, runner slides (no MC) and IMO is obstructed by F2, who then catches the throw and applies tag to runner before he touches plate. F2 then immediately throws to 2nd in an attempt to get BR advancing to 2nd. Tag is sucessful at 2nd.

My call is : obstruction, run counts.

My question is , exactly what should be my signals and verbalization for this call?

Good question. You have to call this in a way that does not deny the defense their play on the other runner. As you know, the ball remains live here, and if you come up screaming obstruction everyone's going to stop.

The FED manual, if you're using that, encourages umpires to use the delayed dead ball mechanic (fist held out to the side). I'm probably saying "That's obstruction," not too loud, and holding my fist out during the throw down to 2B. That signals that I've got something -- and explains why I'm not signalling safe or out -- but I'm not shouting or killing the play.

At the end of playing action, kill it and enforce the award. Make sure both scorekeepers are aware of your call.

and of course get ready to eject the coach who don't understand the rules etc,. :)

So I should make neither a safe nor an out signal...only the DDB sign and verbalize "obstruction!"?

When all is done, you say "Count the run" and point at the plate. Make sure both dugouts see you doing this. This automatically means that the runner was safe.

I do not agree with the FED "sticking your arm out" mechanic. "That's Obstruction" while pointing with the left hand is enough. If F2 turns in my direction, I am saying "Play on, play on" so he knows the ball is not dead.

It seems like the FED DDB signal could easily be mis-interpreted as an out signal.

I find it hard to believe that anybody would mistake the NFHS Delayed Dead Ball Signal for the Outsignal.

I am not computer literate enough to post pictures of the two signals but if one goes to the Page 36 of the 2011 and 2012 NFHS Baseball Umpires Manual one will see that the Delayed Dead Ball Signal (Signal D) is given with the Left Arm and Fist held straight out from the shoulder parallel to the ground, while the Out Signal (Signal E) is given with the Right Arm (perpendicular to the ground) and Fist held up above the Umpire's head. The signals are completely different in look, and even though I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other I can tell the difference.

The Umpire just has to momentarily give the DDB Signal while pointing with his Right hand toward where the Obstruction occured while saying (load enough for the players involved): "That's obsturction." Nothing more needs to be said except for Safe or Out on the play. He should not say play on becuase he has not said anything that would cause the ball to become dead such as: Dead Ball!! or Time!! or Foul Ball!! Players should know that they should continue to play until they here one of those three phrases, to say "Play On" is coaching.

RBMartin: Yes you should make a decision as to whether F2 tagged R1 out at HP. That does not stop play. Since you had Obstruction, you will call Time after all play as ceased, in your case, the Out on B2/R2 at 2B, and then award R1 HP for F2's Obstruction.

MTD, Sr.

My question was do I signal that (irrelevant) decision or is my only visable signal the DDB?
I'm certainly not killing the play until all action is completed.

Yes, call R1 out from the tag by F2 and signal the out also, but nothing more until after all play has stopped, and in your case that was the tag out at 2B on B2/R2.

MTD, Sr.

I use the Bob Jenkins method: I give the DDB signal, then drop it. I don't run around the field with my fist out.

I would not call R2 out at the plate. I would signal safe

Why!

Suppose there were 2 outs and "other" runners on base as in this case. Once you signal out and it is the third out, play stops.

It is much easier to explain to the defense why you signalled the runner safe even though F2 appled the tag then it is to try and unravel the mess that follows after you called an obstructed runner out and it was the third out.

Pete Booth

I would just call the obstruction. R2 is not safe (yet). He still must touch the plate to complete his award.

After the out at 2nd, call time, announce the obstruction pointing at F2 (again) then point at R2 and say "you, score."

I only use that stupid DDB signal when I'm professional wrestling and I want to clothesline my opponent.

Not to be confused with the DDT:

The Top Ten DDT Variations in Wrestling History - YouTube

We dropped that mechanic years ago, but I'm sure someone will say we were wrong to do so.

If Jake (the Snake) Roberts isn't in this video, it's not nearly complete.

Kyle wants us (in Ohio) to use the FED manual. His view is: get 100 umpires together and you'll have 100 ways to work. Getting on the same page means picking an arbitrary page. His page is the FED manual. :shrug:

For Mark D

http://www.osaa.org/baseball/baseballsignalschart.pdf

The "time" signal in that chart makes it look like the umpire has a gun in his back.

Well,
 

I am sure you all remember Oregon does not use FED mechanics. We use modifified CCA.

The illustrations of signals were produced by Referee Magazine.

T

Official NFHS Baseball Signals


That is what it says at the top of the chart, NO?

Big John
 

I am simply making a statement.

I don't have my official OSAA/OAOA umpire manual with me.

I don't know of any umpire in Oregon that uses the DDB signal.

T

Please go back to misinterpreting the rulebook and incorrectly connecting rules that don't belong together on the football page.

Wouldn't be the first dumb thing Kyle has done. Since FED does not have a national play-off mechanism or the demand to work with FED umpires from other states, having them all on the same page state by state is enough.

I feel your pain, though.

Why beat up on me? All I did was post the chart and point out that is fed chart.

And not listen to what you're being told.

I asked a question. Just wanted to know if those were or weren't the NFHS official signals?

Sheesh!

Your attempt to show us how much you know about baseball was once again trumped by your total lack of knowledge.

If you really understood anything about officiating, (name the sport) you'd know that the states do not adhere 100% to the FED manual.

Ohio's "Gold Book" for football is a perfect example of this.

Sometimes a question is just a question. However, sir, your reputation precedes you, and you don't ask questions that are just questions - you are always going somewhere with them, and where you go is not conducive to helping anyone learn how to do this job. I'm sorry if you don't like that... but you made this bed, and now you must lie in it. You cannot be offended if your previous actions color the way your future "questions" are taken.

Thank you ozzy, that is all I wanted to know.

I was not trying to show anyone anything but hey when you are a legend you have take the good with the bad.
:confused:

In fact, Missouri allows each organization to pick their mechanics. Mine uses the PBUC Red Book.

Interesting note about Jake. His mother was also his sister. She was a victim of incense by her father.

Since FED is not the end all be all of umpire mechanics, and no state is required to use the FED mechanics, or adopt every rule, I fail to see what all the whining is about.

And some you call coaches rats. Some of you could use a little cheese yourself with your "whine".

[citation needed]

According to his wiki page (Jake Roberts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), there's no mention of it. While Wiki isn't the most-reliable site, I'd trust it over you.

The word is incest. Incense is what you burn to get the pot smell out of your room after you make incorrect statements about a pro wrestler on a baseball umpire forum.

Sorry for the incorrect word, but for more years than I like to mention, I've drank beer on several occasions with many a wrestler when it was big time where I live. Jake would get drunk, and offer more information than necessary. They were local then, and didn't make that much money.

PS~How do you know how to get the pot smell out of your room? I'm straight edge, brother.

You should have seen Shawn Michaels bite his fingernails down to the nub. Those things never grew out.