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rbmartin Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:02pm

NFHS Batter interference
 
FED rules.. Runner on 2nd attempting to steal 3rd. Batter interferes with catcher throwing to 3rd. Throw is unsucessful.

Who is out?

David B Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:29pm

That's one that is good to know and remember because it is often misapplied.
Its listed in section 7-3-5 with ruling under the penalty.

With two outs batter always out. With less than two out batter is out and runners return. Only exception would be if a runner is attempting home etc,

This is a rule that I have seen misapplied several times each season, many times even by veteran umpires. I messed it up once "long time ago", but since have memorized it and am glad I have.

Thanks
David

Chris Viverito Sat Mar 17, 2012 07:58am

I have the batter out in this one. The ball is dead and R2 is returned to 2d.

jicecone Sat Mar 17, 2012 08:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B (Post 832534)
That's one that is good to know and remember because it is often misapplied.
Its listed in section 7-3-5 with ruling under the penalty.

With two outs batter always out. With less than two out batter is out and runners return. Only exception would be if a runner is attempting home etc,

This is a rule that I have seen misapplied several times each season, many times even by veteran umpires. I messed it up once "long time ago", but since have memorized it and am glad I have.

Thanks
David

David the runner for this sit is on second, not third.

Batter is out, return runner to second.

CT1 Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:37am

Punish the guilty & don't let his team profit. Batter out, runner returns.

David B Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 832633)
David the runner for this sit is on second, not third.

Batter is out, return runner to second.

I guess i just quoted the rule and not where to put the runners.

He didn't say the outs, but in this sitch it doesn't matter - by rule the BR is out and all runners return which in this case sends the runner back to second.

There I clarified.

Thanks
David

David B Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:54am

Exception causes the problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 832667)
Punish the guilty & don't let his team profit. Batter out, runner returns.

but the exception often causes the problem which is what happened in the playoff game I had in 1984 where we blew it.

That is with runner attempting home, (with less than two outs)

then you don't punish the guilty which is what we did. I was young umpire then and I went along with PU who said BR was out. The game was tied, and then on the next pitch BR hits grounder to SS and winning run scores. :(

Still sticks in my mind because we cost them a chance to go to the state finals that year.

But lesson was learned and never misapplied again (at least in my games):)

Thanks
David

Mrumpiresir Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:56pm

Think of it this way. The guy who interferes is always out. In the case of batter interference with the catcher, the batter is out except for three instances.

1. the throw retires the runner so the interference is ignored;
2. the runner is attempting to score with less than two outs;
3. the batter is already out so we get a second out on the play.

dileonardoja Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B (Post 832672)
but the exception often causes the problem which is what happened in the playoff game I had in 1984 where we blew it.

That is with runner attempting home, (with less than two outs)

then you don't punish the guilty which is what we did. I was young umpire then and I went along with PU who said BR was out. The game was tied, and then on the next pitch BR hits grounder to SS and winning run scores. :(

Still sticks in my mind because we cost them a chance to go to the state finals that year.

But lesson was learned and never misapplied again (at least in my games):)

Thanks
David

No protest?

David B Mon Mar 19, 2012 01:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dileonardoja (Post 832838)
No protest?

1984 there was no such thing as a protest.... that was the good ole days ... :)

and neither coach complained, they didn't know the rule either ...

Thanks
David

Steven Tyler Mon Mar 19, 2012 07:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B (Post 833073)
1984 there was no such thing as a protest.... that was the good ole days ... :)

and neither coach complained, they didn't know the rule either ...

Thanks
David

And still not in some states.

yawetag Mon Mar 19, 2012 07:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 833117)
And still not in some states.

*raises hand halfway up*

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 20, 2012 08:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 833123)
*raises hand halfway up*

Put that hand down... move along... nothing to see here.


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