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FTVMartin Sat Jan 28, 2012 02:57pm

between innings
 
Where do you guys go between innings as a plate umpire. I know we are supposed to go up the line and alternate but how do you decide which way to go first?

Toadman15241 Sat Jan 28, 2012 03:01pm

If the **** hit the fan in the top of the first go the opposite way. If not, go towards home.

MikeStrybel Sat Jan 28, 2012 03:22pm

It must have been a decade ago; I worked with a guy who would always stand a few feet back from the line on the team that was readying to bat. I saw him get hit by a guy who was loosening up with his back to the infield.

I always stand about twenty feet from home, down the line of the team that goes on defense. That partner does the same now.

yawetag Sat Jan 28, 2012 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 817532)
I always stand about twenty feet from home, down the line of the team that goes on defense.

Same here. There's less people and less aluminum.

kylejt Sat Jan 28, 2012 07:12pm

I always go to the teams side that's batting next. Why? Because I probably just rang up someone in the other dugout. No need to stand on that side.

I thought that was common knowledge.

Publius Sat Jan 28, 2012 07:45pm

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Originally Posted by FTVMartin (Post 817524)
Where do you guys go between innings as a plate umpire. I know we are supposed to go up the line and alternate but how do you decide which way to go first?

I usually ask the managers at the plate meeting if they have a preference, and go with that. If they don't, or can't agree, I flip a coin.

Standing on the side opposite the stands with the hotter WAGs and never varying from that side is always a good solution, too.

zm1283 Sat Jan 28, 2012 08:17pm

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Originally Posted by Publius (Post 817597)
I usually ask the managers at the plate meeting if they have a preference, and go with that. If they don't, or can't agree, I flip a coin.

Standing on the side opposite the stands with the hotter WAGs and never varying from that side is always a good solution, too.

Really? They just want you out of the way. They don't care where you stand.

I go to the side of the team coming to bat so I can get the first batter's attention with one warmup pitch left. I have gone to the side of the team coming on to the field as well. Both work.

jicecone Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:40pm

When I officiated Ice Hockey, we would always make a point of standing on the side of the ice adjacent to the "Happy Team" The one that just scored or did not end up on the short end of penalties or decisions, (at least in their mind). This way if the coach or players had nasties to express they had to verballize them loud enough for ALL to hear. In those cases, everyone in the arena new why people were being asked to leave.

Baseball is just about the same. Stay away from the unhappy bench when necessary. Make the players or coaches go out of there way to offer unpleasantries, if they don't and say it loud enough for all to hear, well.......???

Let just say, there is nothing wrong with being diplomatically professional.

It is kind of like standing around after a game waiting to shake hands or looking for complements. The team that lost may take exception with you still being there. So why not offer some advice to you.

jicecone Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:44pm

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Originally Posted by Publius (Post 817597)
I usually ask the managers at the plate meeting if they have a preference, and go with that. If they don't, or can't agree, I flip a coin.

????

Your kidding Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me your Kidding. Please!!!!!!!

bob jenkins Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:34pm

I go to the "next offense" side in the first 5 (or 7) innings and the "next defense" side in the last 2 innings.

Publius Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:58pm

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Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 817627)
????

Your kidding Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me your Kidding. Please!!!!!!!

No, really; I do flip a coin if they can't agree.

It doesn't matter, though. My partner and I usually have plenty to talk about between innings, so I'm almost always on the first-base line. When the benches start yelling, "We're waiting on you, blue!" he finds the third-base line too far to run to get back in position.

kylejt Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:50am

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Originally Posted by Publius (Post 817648)
No, really; I do flip a coin if they can't agree.

It doesn't matter, though. My partner and I usually have plenty to talk about between innings, so I'm almost always on the first-base line. When the benches start yelling, "We're waiting on you, blue!" he finds the third-base line too far to run to get back in position.

HA! Good stuff.

jicecone is right about using what side happy/unhappy. I use that as a factor, also, along with breeze, shade, and the GLM variable. But the hitting team is my starting point, and what I teach.

yawetag Sun Jan 29, 2012 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 817588)
I always go to the teams side that's batting next. Why? Because I probably just rang up someone in the other dugout. No need to stand on that side.

I thought that was common knowledge.

You may have also blown a call at the plate in the previous half-inning, which lead to another 5 runs scoring. I doubt you'd want to be on the batting team's side.

I agree with the "side that's not mad at you" crowd. However, when there isn't a side that matches, I go to the defensive side.

RPatrino Sun Jan 29, 2012 02:05pm

I generally try to stand on the side of the team going on defense, there tends to be less people around to bother me. I also can keep an eye on the on deck hitter and get their attention if they are slow in getting to the plate.

If lineup changes are being made, I will stand near the official score keeper so they can hear the changes at the same time I do.

EsqUmp Sun Jan 29, 2012 03:24pm

Has anyone read an umpire manual? That's usually a good place to start when it comes to proper mechanics. Virtually every manual has the plate umpire take a position on the side of the team going onto defense. There are two main reasons for that. First, most substitutions that occur between innings are defensive changes. Offensive changes tend to occur when that player is actually coming to bat. Second, that puts the umpire in a better position to "encourage" the defense to take the field without wasting a lot of time.

The position can change if you think you're going to get an earful from the defensive team, but umpires should be careful not to hide from trouble either.

Umpires should not regularly talk between innings unless you're working with a new umpire and find it beneficial to point things out each half inning. If you wonder why your games take so long, ask yourself how much time you waste talking to your partner.

While not all codes have time limits between innings, umpires should establish a good pace for the game. That's part of your game management. Consider this for a 7 inning game: if you allow 60 seconds between innings (including to start the game) thats 14 minutes per game; 90 seconds = 21 minutes per game; 120 seconds = 28 minutes.

MLB usually allows 2:30 between innings (depending on the channel.) That's 45 minutes per game, not including pitching changes!

Encourage the defense to take the field without unnecessary delay. Don't talk to your partner unless there's a good reason for it. Never make the teams wait for the umpires.

johnnyg08 Sun Jan 29, 2012 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 817856)
Has anyone read an umpire manual? That's usually a good place to start when it comes to proper mechanics. Virtually every manual has the plate umpire take a position on the side of the team going onto defense. There are two main reasons for that. First, most substitutions that occur between innings are defensive changes. Offensive changes tend to occur when that player is actually coming to bat. Second, that puts the umpire in a better position to "encourage" the defense to take the field without wasting a lot of time.

The position can change if you think you're going to get an earful from the defensive team, but umpires should be careful not to hide from trouble either.

Umpires should not regularly talk between innings unless you're working with a new umpire and find it beneficial to point things out each half inning. If you wonder why your games take so long, ask yourself how much time you waste talking to your partner.

While not all codes have time limits between innings, umpires should establish a good pace for the game. That's part of your game management. Consider this for a 7 inning game: if you allow 60 seconds between innings (including to start the game) thats 14 minutes per game; 90 seconds = 21 minutes per game; 120 seconds = 28 minutes.

MLB usually allows 2:30 between innings (depending on the channel.) That's 45 minutes per game, not including pitching changes!

Encourage the defense to take the field without unnecessary delay. Don't talk to your partner unless there's a good reason for it. Never make the teams wait for the umpires.

*gasp...read the manual? :-) How dare you make so much sense!

bob jenkins Sun Jan 29, 2012 03:53pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 817856)
Has anyone read an umpire manual? That's usually a good place to start when it comes to proper mechanics. Virtually every manual has the plate umpire take a position on the side of the team going onto defense.

I don't recall it being in the CCA manual (but I admit I haven't cracked it open yet thisyear)

smithma Sun Jan 29, 2012 04:19pm

The PBUC two-man mechanics manual I have says to go to the side away from any potential trouble.

ozzy6900 Sun Jan 29, 2012 04:56pm

Normally, you go to the side going on defense. The idea is not to have the pitcher coming off cross your path. It's not in the CCA or in FED or in NCAA. It's just something that was taught many years ago.

etn_ump Sun Jan 29, 2012 08:32pm

Go to the baseline near the team coming to bat. Alert next batter when 2 pitches are left.

EsqUmp Sun Jan 29, 2012 09:06pm

Do you think he won't know that it's his time to bat when the catcher throws the ball down to second base?

kylejt Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:53pm

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Originally Posted by etn_ump (Post 817936)
Alert next batter when 2 pitches are left.

Ah, no. Not even in a Little League would I do that. No alerts, attentions, or fire alarms needed for this one. He can figure it out by himself.

Although I do know a guy who gets off by bellowing "BATTER!" for some odd reason.

DG Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:14pm

I always go to side of defensive team coming OFF the field, unless there is good reason not to do so, based on the half inning just ended. I don't think it really matters, just avoid trouble.

Publius is pulling our chain or a troll.

dash_riprock Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:23pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 817959)
Ah, no. Not even in a Little League would I do that. No alerts, attentions, or fire alarms needed for this one. He can figure it out by himself.

Although I do know a guy who gets off by bellowing "BATTER!" for some odd reason.

The NCAA requires us to summon the leadoff batter to the plate with 30 seconds to go on the between-innings pitch clock.

zm1283 Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:43am

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 817968)
The NCAA requires us to summon the leadoff batter to the plate with 30 seconds to go on the between-innings pitch clock.

Yep, and the CCA manual a couple years ago said to go to the side of the team coming to bat. It wasn't required, but was mentioned in the front of the book when they were talking about keeping the game moving between innings.

I tell the pitcher when he has two pitches left and the batter when one is left.

MrUmpire Mon Jan 30, 2012 02:11am

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 817968)
The NCAA requires us to summon the leadoff batter to the plate with 30 seconds to go on the between-innings pitch clock.

MiLB umpires also advise the lead off batter when there is one pitch remaining and usually they do this from the offense side. I use the same procedure in my college games. time It does help keep the flow of the game moving.

etn_ump Mon Jan 30, 2012 06:50am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 817939)
Do you think he won't know that it's his time to bat when the catcher throws the ball down to second base?

No, I don't.

Advice. Get the batters in the box and keep them in the box until their at-bat is complete. It will help shorten your games.

kylejt Mon Jan 30, 2012 08:17am

"summon" and "alert". Got it, fellas.

JRutledge Mon Jan 30, 2012 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 817856)
Has anyone read an umpire manual?

There is no such manual at High School where I am. At the college level I do not see anywhere where it says specifically. And honestly these are guides anyway as many things like these people have opinions about and people do what they believe is best.

Peace

mbyron Mon Jan 30, 2012 04:34pm

I sincerely hope that which side to stand on is the most significant issue that anyone on the forum confronts all season long. :)

RPatrino Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:31pm

Mike, I personally will be spending a lot of time looking for illegal bat warmers!


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