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thumpferee Thu May 01, 2003 02:11pm

Opening Day is Saturday and we are short on Umpires. I have 5 Lil' League games to do, (10-12 year olds w/2 hr. time limit), and get this, by myself.

I want to call them from behind the plate, but with some of these young catcher's, I'm gonna get beat up out there. Was hoping someone can psych me up and gimme some thoughts on this.

My 2 son's are also starting on one of the teams with my oldest son (12 yrs. old) pitching, and my younger son (10 yrs. old) catching.

Yes I am Proud Daddy!!

My wife better get some good pictures! lol

But, was wondering if anyone else out there calls for their son's/daughter's? And if so, your thoughts.

I'd rather not of course because I don't want the flack, or anything taken away from them if they do well, by having fans/parents saying "because their dad is the Ump" stuff.

I am probably one of the top 3 qualified to handle games by myself, and we are very short on officials here.

Comments/Opinions Please!



Buckeye12 Thu May 01, 2003 02:22pm

In the past, I've umpired my brother's pony league games. Their team travels, so when they play at home, no one know's I'm his brother besides the home team. I felt a little uncomfortable the first couple games, but after a game or two, it felt like any other game. Just do your stuff!

Mike Follett Thu May 01, 2003 02:48pm

Man, if I had to do 5 games of any division of ball that required calling balls and strikes,by myself, you can bet I'd do them all from behind the pitcher's mound.
Dude, you're going to be one tired, sore umpire when that day's done, and that's if you're just standing on your feet that long. You'll never finish the day if you try to call them from behind the plate.
I've had the "privilege" of calling my son and daughter's games since they were 8 years old. You'll never get rid of all of the "yeah, his kid's on THAT team" comments, but if not you, who else will call the game? And can they do as good a job as you? Probably not!! And I'm darn sure not going to be off on another field, calling a game for someone else's kid, while my kid is playing elsewhere. If I just have to umpire a game that day, it'll be their game or none at all.

nine01c Thu May 01, 2003 04:13pm

Small diamond, 6 innings, no big deal. Work behind the plate, you can be at 2B in four strides. Try to get someone else to do your own sons' game, regardless of your skill to do a better job. After all, if you weren't around, SOMEONE would do it. Sit in the stands and relax and enjoy watching them play without saying a peep about the umpire. I found that when I umpired my son's games (which I have over the years) it wasn't pressure on ME, but pressure (spoken or unspoken) on HIM. It takes away from the child's experience as just another kid on the team.
I know you are trying to do what's best, but from experience this is what I have learned. Been there, done that. Good luck (hope you can recruit more umps).

Striker991 Thu May 01, 2003 05:54pm

Umping my son's games
 
I do games for both the local league where my son plays and for the district, through a volunteer association. My son has had two games where I have worked both behind the plate and on the bases with other umpires from the association. After the game, I asked the other umpires to identify my son. None of them could do it. My son says he likes it when I umpire and none of the other coaches or parents has an issue with it. During the games, I am the umpire and he is just another player. We celebrate his successes and talk through his errors away from the game.

Go ahead and umpire your son's games, at these levels, there should be no problem! But wow, 5 games in one day! Holy moley...you're a stronger man than me...hope you have good catchers! It is my opinion that you should work the plate...if you feel comfortable doing it, get a parent to assist you on the bases. (oh oh...here comes the flack!).




Mike Follett Fri May 02, 2003 06:13am

nineO1c,
Just how many times have you called 5- 2hr., 6 inning games in one day, by yourself. No big deal, you say. C'mon; small diamond or big diamond, it doesn't matter. Behind the plate for all of them is the problem. I couldn't do that when I was 23, much less 43 years old. If you can, more power to you.
I still stand by my statement that if there's that bad of a shortage of umpires, I'll umpire my kid's game, before I'd be off on another field, calling a game for someone else's kids. They'll be the ones without an umpire; not my kid's team.
I used to think I had to make sure that I stayed above reproach when calling my kids' games. If a call was close, it went against them. After a while, I finally realized that my kids (and their team) shouldn't be penalized just because those other lazy *** parents (you know, the same ones who like to make comments about you calling your own kid's game) wouldn't take the time to help out umpiring a game once in awhile.
Now, I call 'em strictly like I see 'em. Screw the other folks if they disagree with it. It is what it is.........

thumpferee Fri May 02, 2003 09:14am

Cool, thanks for the votes of confidence!

I have called JV games by myself, but only one or two in a day, not 5.

But it is only 60 foot bases!
I'll have to see how the 1st 2 go to see if I can continue behind the plate. I am definately doing my son's game from behind the plate!

Mike, I think nine01c was just tryin' to psych me up which I need because I'd rather do them from behind the plate, but you're right Mike, I'm 37 and no spring chicken anymore. But I was also doing 7 Youth Basketball games on every Saturday too, so hopefully that got me into some kinda shape.

Some NoDoze probably wouldn't hurt, huh?


And your right Striker991, here's the Flack!

if you feel comfortable doing it, get a parent to assist you on the bases.

LMAO, No Way! Thanks, but NO THANKS!!

I'll be OK by myself! (punn intended)

Some good points were made and taken. Thank You, I appreciate your thoughts on this. I'll do my BEST, as usual.

WISH ME LUCK! LOL

I wonder if their gonna have an ambulance there?



nine01c Fri May 02, 2003 09:39am

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Follett
nineO1c,
I still stand by my statement that if there's that bad of a shortage of umpires, I'll umpire my kid's game, before I'd be off on another field, calling a game for someone else's kids. They'll be the ones without an umpire; not my kid's team.

Mike: I didn't suggest that he go umpire on another field.
I suggested that he watch his sons' game.
That would give him a break from doing 5 games, AND,
not call his sons' pitching and catching.
Although it was already a done deal that he would
umpire all five games, he did ask for opinions.
I was just offering mine, right or wrong.

Rog Fri May 02, 2003 10:11am

Re: ":I have 5 Lil' League games to do, (10-12 year olds w/2 hr. time limit), and get this, by myself."

In a word - - - DON'T!!!!!
Let some other parents shoulder some of this burden for at elast two of those games. This is assinine to even expect any human being to do this many games in one day. If some other parents won't step up, then reschedule those games.

Let's do the math:
5 games
six inning each
2 hour time limit each game

= 30 innings, over 10 hours!

Now, is there some lag time between games at all???

i.e., when do you expect to take get a drink or a bite to eat, or take a bathroom break. Maybe freshen up a bit do you can clear out the cobwebs.

If you get 1/2 hr between games, tack on another 2-1/2 hours to your day, which brings you up to 13hours (+/-)

Please excuse me for saying so; but, if you do this on your own you are plain nuts - cause I banking on the fact that you will feel it for the couple weeks.

I've done my share of games - some 9 inning doubles, lots of 7 innings double, too many 5 inning doubles to count; and, twice I've worked triple 9 inning games = never again will I beat up my own body like that.....


thumpferee Fri May 02, 2003 10:24am

I agree Rog!

But I'm in Europe and there is a serious shortage of officials for all sports, especially Youth Sports.

I try and do what I can for the Kids.

I'd rather try and do them all so they at least have a Certified Official out there than some parent who don't know what a force out is...lol

I expressed my concerns to the Youth Sports Director, and he told me another official MAY come to assist after his games. But that won't be til' the fourth or fifth game, if ever.

Plus, I'm gonna do my best to get 1-2-3 innings to get games finished within 90 mins. No reason 6 inning games can't be done in that time.

Your math is bout rite though, games start at 10:00 and last one is at 6:00. 10 hours!

What do you all think about me talking to Sports Director and making games 1 hr 45 mins. "drop dead" limit. This way other game will start on time?

Rog Fri May 02, 2003 11:29am

your dedication to the youth is commendable, and understandable; but, unless you are in superb condition you don't even want to think about working the plate.
Trying to get up and down to the level of these players for as many times as it may take over 5 games = OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

At the risk of being redundant - this is way too much for one person to do in one day (or to be expected of).
Definitely see if you can reduce the time limit at the very least.
Though I would not call the zone any different than any regular game. To change the zone is not fair to those players who can hit, and have a reasonably good understanding of what to look for in a pitch.

Lastly, the shortage of sports official knows no geographical boundaries.....

thumpferee Fri May 02, 2003 12:15pm

I appreciate your input Rog/All,

I did speak to the Sports Director, and we have set a 90 limit. You know how it works, if another inning can't be completed by 1 hr. 45 mins. game over. So that should help me.

The thing that scares me, is, this is military Youth. The talent isn't as good as in the States. You may have 2-3 kids per team that has really played baseball B4.

My worry is it's gonna be a walk-fest, and the catcher's won't be as competent behind the plate as they should be.

So, with that said, if I start gettin' killed back there by pitches, I will take off my gear between innings, and call from behind the mound! lol

There is also no real advancement here. For ex: No season ending tourny, or no chance at World Series, or nothin'.

"Having Fun" and "Good Sportsmanship" are the major focuses here.

But we all know what a Crock that is...lol

One more question: If I "Plate" one game, shouldn't I plate them all to be fair to the kids?

Just another thought!




chris s Fri May 02, 2003 06:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
Cool, thanks for the votes of confidence!

I have called JV games by myself, but only one or two in a day, not 5.

But it is only 60 foot bases!
I'll have to see how the 1st 2 go to see if I can continue behind the plate. I am definately doing my son's game from behind the plate!

Mike, I think nine01c was just tryin' to psych me up which I need because I'd rather do them from behind the plate, but you're right Mike, I'm 37 and no spring chicken anymore. But I was also doing 7 Youth Basketball games on every Saturday too, so hopefully that got me into some kinda shape.

Some NoDoze probably wouldn't hurt, huh?


And your right Striker991, here's the Flack!

if you feel comfortable doing it, get a parent to assist you on the bases.

LMAO, No Way! Thanks, but NO THANKS!!

I'll be OK by myself! (punn intended)

Some good points were made and taken. Thank You, I appreciate your thoughts on this. I'll do my BEST, as usual.

WISH ME LUCK! LOL

I wonder if their gonna have an ambulance there?



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Last football season I was working 5 pop-warner games in a day. The worst was my feet, one field was as hard as asphalt! Shoes were Reebok NFL style, the good ones. So.....good luck, we got rain here, tonites game cancelled, already got my refreshments sitting hereo)

thumpferee Sat May 03, 2003 04:23pm

I DID IT.....!!!!!

AND I AM ONE TIRED MOTHER UMPER!

I'LL TRY MY BEST TO NEVER DO THAT AGAIN....LOL

Rog Sat May 03, 2003 05:04pm

Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
I DID IT.....!!!!!

AND I AM ONE TIRED MOTHER UMPER!

I'LL TRY MY BEST TO NEVER DO THAT AGAIN....LOL


Details man, give us the details!?!?!? Glad to hear that you survived. Now for the details, i.e. how long did it take, how many innings, how were the games, were the player learning and enjoying, and most importently - did you still manage to have some fun?

thumpferee Sun May 04, 2003 08:20am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rog
Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
I DID IT.....!!!!!

AND I AM ONE TIRED MOTHER UMPER!

I'LL TRY MY BEST TO NEVER DO THAT AGAIN....LOL


Details man, give us the details!?!?!? Glad to hear that you survived. Now for the details, i.e. how long did it take, how many innings, how were the games, were the player learning and enjoying, and most importently - did you still manage to have some fun?

Everything started off without a hitch. Coaches and Fans were as respectful as you could ever imagine. The player's were ready, and had lot's of fun. I was informative on rules and interpretations (even though I had a couple of brain lapses, I'll get to those later) as to what they can and can't do, i.e...Balks and illegal pitches, fielders standing on bags interfering with runners, the usual throwing of the bat...etc.

I did have a couple of those...duh moments tho!

I really dont't want to get into them tho, I'm too embarrassed...lol


I get confused sometime between FED (which I am accustomed too) and Lil' League Rules (which this is my first year).
Well that's my excuse and I'm sticking too it!

All the games except one started on time. The reason for the delay was I had to go get one of those juicy cheeseburgers from the concession stand. It was game 3 and got about 15 mins. behind schedule. The games had a 90 min. drop dead time limit w/the last inning having to finish with time to play last inning b4 90 mins. You know how that works.

Well anyway...

The last game was started on time (6:00) and was the best game of the day!

Bottom of the fifth, home team down 9-7. Couple of hits, a couple of walks here and there, past balls, home team ties it up. 9-9 w/two outs and runner on third. 2-2 count on the batter, pitch gets past catcher and runner is on the way in from third. Pitcher comes home and covers, here's the throw to the plate frome the catcher, runner slides...............Results on a later post!!!!!


LOL..........Bang Bang.........It was quiet it seemed for an hour....lol........everyone waiting on the last call of the last game of Opening Day! I delayed like I am doing here..........OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Game ends in tie. Not one complaint about the call and it was the Closest Play of the day without a doubt.
Especially with the game riding on it.

But the best outcome of the day was how Well my son's played! I was the proudest father out there. My oldest son (12) recorded both of their victories as the starting pitcher in their double header, and helping his cause going
6-6, with 3 walks and 5 RBI's. WOW. Not bad for only his second year playing.

And my youngest son (10) was starting catcher, (he did let me get hit a few times which I of course kept reminding him of his #1 job, Protect the Ump)
made me smile from ear to ear seeing him back there and scoring 4 times on 3 walks, several stolen bases, and a couple of hits, one of them being the best ever with a shot up the middle.

It was Truly a Great Day!






dak1611 Tue May 13, 2003 01:32pm

Nothing is better than calling a game for your kids.....and I hope your wife got pictures. One of our favorite family shots is of my oldest pitching...my youngest catching and me behind the plate.

fairump Wed May 14, 2003 04:12am

Better you than me. Word of advise. Do the games behind the mound or you will wish you would had. And lastly, try to find someone else to do your boys game! But if you cannot than make sure his team plays their game ahead of another team's you may be calling. Have fun and take some motrin. You are gonna need it. I do tournaments here in Florida for AAU. We sometimes will get 4or5 games in a day. 3 In the dish and 2 on the bases are tough on me and I have been doing this a long time, am an athlete and only 35. If you are not these and try to get behind the dish and bust out like you are supposed to, forget it. Go behind the mound and you will call better games.


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