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I can respect those that feel differently but, bottom line here, you have to do what you have to, to make the best decsions as an official that you can, while still maintaining control of your game. 
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In other words, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. I'm all about holding people accountable, but that just isn't going to happen with a conference here.
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Thu Nov 10, 2011, 03:48pm
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I agree with those who feel that getting a second opinion is rarely a bad thing. You made your call and now have the opportunity to confirm it or accept that something else may have happened. Provided that you don't delay the game too long, it is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged by some associations. While it was HTBT, it sounds like you two got the call handled correctly.
For what it's worth, malicious contact can also be initiated by the catcher. Maybe your partner saw a different angle and can help you determine guilt. If the pros can do it with all of their training and experience, so can you. Don't feel bad about being second guessed at a Freshman game.
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Thu Nov 10, 2011, 05:29pm
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You would much rather have to put up with throwing people out later for retailation, because the officiating team didn't get their job right the first. Correct. This isn't about you or me, its about the job the officiating crew does. "Hey Blue, if you would have done your job the first time instead of trying to maintain your macho image, we wouldn't have had the brawl now." Been there , Seen that!
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Thu Nov 10, 2011, 11:42pm
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Why in hell would I go for help on a play that I'VE seen and I'VE made a decision, when that help is more likely to end up being incorrect? Not going for help is not a matter of ego. It's a matter of doing your job and not showing people that you can't handle it.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 02:43am
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Quote RSturgell, "Also the only reason for the very short conference was to ask if he seen an elbow thrown". That sure don't sound to me like someone who was sure of what he saw. Matt, as you know, there are several ways to skin a cat. We all have to do, what we have to do, to get through are games, maintain control, esteem and walk off that field knowing we gave the best job we can. Then go out there the next time, and do even better. If your way works for you, then go for it.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 10:12am
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I think I land between the two of you. If I saw an elbow and decided it was not malicious, I'm not going for help - as Matt says, it can't help. However, if, when the coach asked about the elbow, I was actually surprised by the question - and noticed nothing regarding the elbow coming up, I might ask my partner what he saw.
A good rule of thumb - if you're asked to go for help, and in your mind if you would change a call based on what partner says, then go for help. If you KNOW what you saw and whatever you're being asked to go for help on is not something you're possibly unclear on, don't.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 10:40am
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The questions are: Did the runner commit MC or intentionally interfere with a thrown ball. You do not go to your partner for this. Why! For all practical purposes all the BU sees is the arm come up. From his vantage point he might view it as MC BUT the PU was right there and in his judgement he thought the player was protecting himself. What is there to ask. I had a similar situation when I was BU. It was one of those light rain drizzle type days. There was a play at the plate where R3 collided with F2 knocking him down. From my vantage point it sure looked like MC. My partner was right there and did not rule MC. After the game I asked him about it. He said when R3 was about to slide he slipped big time and could not control himself and went into F2 which is what he explained to the coach. There was no retaliation becasue F2 KNEW what really happened. In a nutshell this is not a case where one partner was not sure of a safe / out call. This is about judgement and when you have the dish and the play is right there you do not defer or confer with your partner to determine if someone gets tossed or not. Pete Booth
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Fri Nov 11, 2011, 11:37am
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Pete, I am all for sticking to the OP.
"As the runner is trying to get by the catcher the runner holds up his left arm to me it looked liked to duck the tag or avoid getting hit by the ball." That certainly leads me to believe he wasn't sure why is arm was raised. Then this is followed up with another post, "Also the only reason for the very short conference was to ask if he seen an elbow thrown". Still sounds to me like he wasn't sure. In your situation the PU clearly saw it better than you and didnt need your help. I agree, I wouldn't have asked for help either. But if he did clearly miss it and as a result you had to clean the mess up later because of what the def player perceived, then you might not have been as congenial to you partner as you were. Your making the case for PU that CLEARLY sees what happened. I agree. This OP is about one that didn't. It may not look pretty afterwards, but there is nothing wrong in admitting you didn't see everything.
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