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SanDiegoSteve Mon Sep 12, 2011 01:00am
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 787088)
Look at this way, the Padres folded early this year and got it over with.

Think 2007 & 2010.
Yes, those years they didn't realize how crappy they were until near the end of the season.

Rich Mon Sep 12, 2011 08:12am
I don't get what's so complicated about this.

When a runner is forced to advance, he must complete his advance. So, batted ball, uncaught third strike -- R1 and R2 (as well as the BR and R3) must advance or they are liable to be forced out. BB, HBP -- only the BR and R3 must advance.

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 12, 2011 09:34am
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 787059)
Under OBR R3 needs to touch the plate and BR needs to touch 1B. R1 and R2 can do what they like. Sounds as if that's what happened.
Not EVERYTHING they like... For example - R2 cannot sprint to third and pass R3 before R3 reaches home. Other examples like this.

mbyron Mon Sep 12, 2011 09:55am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 787228)
Not EVERYTHING they like... For example - R2 cannot sprint to third and pass R3 before R3 reaches home. Other examples like this.
Good point, Mike. They also cannot murder the pitcher, and other examples like this. Thanks for helping to keep it real. :p

The OP wanted to know whether R1 and R2 had to touch their advance base in this case. They don't. Hope that is clearer than my original answer.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:21pm
Well, another Hardy Boys mystery is solved. Bob will be right here shortly with the lock.:)

SanDiegoSteve Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Larry1953 (Post 787173)

Also, say Tony was the batter and he wanted to celebrate rather than going down to first. So the first base coach picks him up off the pile and directs him to first. Would it be an out for coach's assistance negating the run?
Yes, it would be an out, but not if another player picked him up and carried him to first. That would be legal.

umpjong Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:37pm
Larry,
After re reading my posts and the rules, I see where I got myself caught up on the scenario being the case of it just not happening in modern day. Technically you are right and I was wrong in that yes if a forced runner R2 or R1 has not advanced to their base prior to a defensive player touching the runner or base the run would not count. My apologies on this one. Regardless of what I was getting myself caught up on you were right in this interpretation.
Jon

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 787232)
Good point, Mike. They also cannot murder the pitcher, and other examples like this. Thanks for helping to keep it real. :p

The OP wanted to know whether R1 and R2 had to touch their advance base in this case. They don't. Hope that is clearer than my original answer.
Just thinking out loud here... murder would be an ejection, I think... but I'm not sure we get an out for that. :)

mbyron Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 787269)
Just thinking out loud here... murder would be an ejection, I think... but I'm not sure we get an out for that. :)
Probably depends on whether it was the result of malicious contact by a runner. :cool:

Larry1953 Mon Sep 12, 2011 02:17pm
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Originally Posted by umpjong (Post 787268)
Larry,
After re reading my posts and the rules, I see where I got myself caught up on the scenario being the case of it just not happening in modern day. Technically you are right and I was wrong in that yes if a forced runner R2 or R1 has not advanced to their base prior to a defensive player touching the runner or base the run would not count. My apologies on this one. Regardless of what I was getting myself caught up on you were right in this interpretation.
Jon
Jon, thanks! I certainly agree with you that there is no basis to allow a protest for the actual OP. You were quite correct: rule 4.09(b) is very clear on that.

Larry

Larry1953 Mon Sep 12, 2011 03:27pm
Padres withdraw protest over Saturday's walk-off loss to D-backs | MLB.com: News

The protest was withdrawn. Gibson said he was going to bring up advancing to the next base as a spring training drill next year. :-)


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