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MikeStrybel Sat Sep 10, 2011 05:59pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 786920)
It's not an NCAA rule, but it is an official guideline.
No, that is not true. According to the definition in rule 2-18, a half swing shall be called a strike if the barrel head of the bat passes the batter's front hip. Previously the rule stated "the front edge of home plate" but that neglected the batter's position in the box.

The words in blue are verbatim from the 2011 NCAA Baseball Preseason supplement, and it can also be found in the current rule book. This rule definition was discussed at the annual meetings.

MikeStrybel Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:01pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 786944)
What he advocates is a recent rule at NCAA, and a good rule of thumb anywhere else. Kind of wish the other rulesets would codify it as such as well. Kind of silly that the other rulesets (older and younger, both) have not written an official rule to define such a crucial situation.
I am not advocating anything. I simply posted the notice issued by the NCAA.

MikeStrybel Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:17pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 786943)
Wow, what a jerk. You read into his post something he didn't say or imply ... and then tell him that if he thinks what he didn't say he thought, he should hang em up. What is your problem?

What was the purpose of the OP? Just to inform us, or to announce something to us that you disagree with ... that is not clear.
Try decaf, Junior. As explained earlier, I replied to the tone received. Okayyyyyy?!?!? So what's the problem with that?

I merely posted the new mechanic that the NCAA wants implemented. They were word for word from Tom Hiler, through Rich Fetcheit. I suggest that those two men know far more about what is apparopriate for umpiring than any here, myself included. They chose to urgently broadcast it two days ago. I simply posted it for others who hadn't read the change yet. If you have long practiced this mechanic, good for you. Call the NCAA and see of they need help with the 2013 changes.

bob jenkins Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:08pm
FWIW Mike, you seem to have read Ozzy's remarks differently that I read them.

Steven Tyler Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:20pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 786963)
FWIW Mike, you seem to have read Ozzy's remarks differently that I read them.
Maybe that wouldn't have been the case if Ozzy didn't go off like a half cocked gun most of the time.

JRutledge Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 787009)
Maybe that wouldn't have been the case if Ozzy didn't go off like a half cocked gun most of the time.
There are a lot of people that go over the top here. Nothing new or unusual.

Peace

bob jenkins Sun Sep 11, 2011 06:44am
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 787009)
Maybe that wouldn't have been the case if Ozzy didn't go off like a half cocked gun most of the time.
Yeah, it's hell when your reputation preceeds you.

MikeStrybel Sun Sep 11, 2011 06:49am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 786963)
FWIW Mike, you seem to have read Ozzy's remarks differently that I read them.
Bob, if you ask me a question here do you use multiple question marks and exclamation points after elongating the last consonant of the query?

I simply posted the latest NCAA mechanics change. It was met with "Okayyyyyy?!?!? So what's the problem with that?" from Ozzy. If anyone misread something, it was he. I have no issue with the mechanic.

MikeStrybel Sun Sep 11, 2011 06:50am
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 787009)
Maybe that wouldn't have been the case if Ozzy didn't go off like a half cocked gun most of the time.
Thank you.

Umpmazza Sun Sep 11, 2011 01:03pm
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Originally Posted by cookie (Post 786894)
So does that also mean that U3 has the option now of position C or B with a runner on 1st base with or without a LH batter at the plate? I believe it is mandatory for U3 to be in the C position when a left-handed batter is at the plate for a possible check swing appeal by U3...
well that was a change last year... it was in the CCA

Umpmazza Sun Sep 11, 2011 01:07pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 786920)
It's not an NCAA rule, but it is an official guideline.
actually it is a rule....LOL

NCAA rule 2011-2012
2-38
Half Swing
SECTION 38. An attempt by the batter to stop the forward motion of the bat
while swinging, which puts the batter in jeopardy of a strike being called. The
half swing shall be called a strike if the barrel head of the bat passes the batter’s
front hip.
A.R.—This does not apply to a bunt attempt when the batter pulls the bat back.

Umpmazza Sun Sep 11, 2011 01:09pm
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Originally Posted by umpjong (Post 786927)
Became a written rule and standard last year. Rule 2 Section 38/Half swing.
Last sentence : The half swing shall be called a strike if the barrel head of the bat passes the batters front hip. (does not apply to a bunt )
this rule has been in place for over 7 years... but it also included if the barrel past the front edge of the plate as well.

bob jenkins Sun Sep 11, 2011 06:47pm
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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 787038)
Bob, if you ask me a question here do you use multiple question marks and exclamation points after elongating the last consonant of the query?

I simply posted the latest NCAA mechanics change. It was met with "Okayyyyyy?!?!? So what's the problem with that?" from Ozzy. If anyone misread something, it was he. I have no issue with the mechanic.
I don't know, do I?!?!?

In any event, this has gone on long enough. Thanks for posting the change.


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