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Old Sun Aug 21, 2011, 10:54am
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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel View Post

I am not trying to change your opinion but from your responses you really do not KNOW or truly understand the definitions of the neighborhood / phantom tag / expected call theories.

They are NOT make up calls which you seem to imply.

There were excellent articles written by some of the most well reknown umpires on the subject matter. One who comes to mind was Jon Bible who used to be a frequent poster at umpire.org.

We are NOT talking about a lazy tag etc. etc.

FWIW here is the definition of the neighborhood play.

R1 - 1 out.

Ground ball RIGHT AT F6 to start the traditional 6-4-3 DP. The ball is in PLENTY of time to get R1. "back in the day" as long as F4 was in the NEAR vicinity of the bag = OUT. No need for him to hold the bag upon the sliding R1especially if you are playing by PRO rules which for all practcial purposes has no sliding restrictions like FED / NCAA.

It was that way for YEARS not just my experiences. According to you all those PRO umpires who used to call the neighborhood are no good, cheating etc.

If the throw is off or a player is lazy is a COMPLETE different story and IMO that's not what happened in the OP or at least the way I interpret it. His glove was where it should be in plenty of time to get the runner.

Like I said just because things change doesn't necessarily translate into a better game. Yes it's the "new breed" and if I was fortunate enough to be umpiring at those levels then yes I would do as the Romans but I am not.

Pete Booth
Wow, you win today's drama award. I remind the board that you are the person who insists that making an erroneous call doesn't put one team at a disadvantage because it all evens out. History says otherwise.

Seriously, if you want to put words in my mouth, just hold up the white flag. I do contend that making that expected call is lazy and allows one team to cheat. It also smacks of arrogance and a need for approval - be it through ratings or silence. The ghost tag of second was considered acceptable for just a short part of baseball's history. It has now all but disappeared in professional and collegiate umpiring, thankfully.

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