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Rich Wed Jul 27, 2011 01:00am

Pirates/Braves ending
 
7/26 game. Ended just before 2AM, 19 innings, Braves won 4-3.

Find it once the video's posted. Oh, my.

yawetag Wed Jul 27, 2011 02:42am

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | PIT@ATL: Proctor, Braves walk off in the 19th inning - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

mbyron Wed Jul 27, 2011 06:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 775269)
7/26 game. Ended just before 2AM, 19 innings, Braves won 4-3.

Find it once the video's posted. Oh, my.

Aw, c'mon. I'm sure Jerry was tired and just wanted to go to bed. :D

On the other hand:
Umpire Jerry Meals: Braves-Pirates call 'might have' been wrong | MLB.com: News

yawetag Wed Jul 27, 2011 06:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 775343)
Aw, c'mon. I'm sure Jerry was tired and just wanted to go to bed. :D

On the other hand:
Umpire Jerry Meals: Braves-Pirates call 'might have' been wrong | MLB.com: News

Like a non-umpire said somewhere else: If he's so blind he missed the original call, then he needs to quit umpiring. If he's so blind he can't tell he missed it on replay, then he needs to quit driving, too.

It was worth a laugh.

David B Wed Jul 27, 2011 07:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 775343)
Aw, c'mon. I'm sure Jerry was tired and just wanted to go to bed. :D

On the other hand:
Umpire Jerry Meals: Braves-Pirates call 'might have' been wrong | MLB.com: News

LOL, good game management by the PU ... somebody had to end it. :D

Thanks
David

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jul 27, 2011 07:50am

I am a nominal Pirates fan and I watched the replay on SportsCenter, and it is my humble opinion that the Braves' player slid under the attempted tag of the Pirates' catcher. When F2 swung his left hand to make the tag, he missed tagging the Braves' runner's leg.

MTD, Sr.

Eastshire Wed Jul 27, 2011 07:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 775269)
7/26 game. Ended just before 2AM, 19 innings, Braves won 4-3.

Find it once the video's posted. Oh, my.

19 innings and 2 AM? They're lucky the umps could keep their eyes open in the first place. I would think fatigue played a large role in the mistake, but it really was a dozy.

JRutledge Wed Jul 27, 2011 07:57am

I am not convinced the catcher tagged the runner. Yes the throw beat him, but I see no direct evidence he tagged him as the glove hand never alters or moves has he sweeps through. It is possible he tagged him, but the replay does not show me 100%. One of the reasons I am not a fan of replay, because this is not a solid angle if you want to be sure. But in a game at my level this is likely going to be an out unless I clearly saw something that clearly showed a missed tag. No one said what we do is easy. ;)

Peace

MD Longhorn Wed Jul 27, 2011 07:59am

OK, maybe I need to get off the road too. I've not seen it in slo-mo, and only got 3 angles on ESPN... but all the outrage about how horrible call this was is confounding me. On all 3 of the replays, at normal speed, it appears to me that the tag attempt, while made in PLENTY of time, simply missed the runner entirely.

Is it just me?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jul 27, 2011 08:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 775370)
I am not convinced the catcher tagged the runner. Yes the throw beat him, but I see no direct evidence he tagged him as the glove hand never alters or moves has he sweeps through. It is possible he tagged him, but the replay does not show me 100%. One of the reasons I am not a fan of replay, because this is not a solid angle if you want to be sure. But in a game at my level this is likely going to be an out unless I clearly saw something that clearly showed a missed tag. No one said what we do is easy. ;)

Peace


Jeff:

I agree with you. After I made my first post, I checked MLB.com and about 2/3rd of the way through the video there is a good replay angle and F2's sweep went over the runner's leg.

MTD, Sr.

Rich Wed Jul 27, 2011 08:51am

There is one replay from the Pirates telecast (I was watching this live -- only because I'm a Phillies fan and wanted to see the Braves lose and because I was sneaking in a post-midnight workout) where it is 100% clear that the tag brushes the front leg of R3. It's Meals's job to see that OR it's his job to make the expected call there and not guess a miss.

After 600+ pitches and 6:39 and two ejections and 19 innings, I'm sure he was tired and fatigue could've played into the call. All the more reason to call the out on this play. And since the batter-runner face-planted 15 feet out of the box, it would've been an inning-ending double play.

MD Longhorn Wed Jul 27, 2011 08:53am

I'd love to see such a replay - there is one replay where it appears there MAY have been a tag, but ball/glove/leg are all blocked by the catcher's right leg from the camera's POV. Other than that, I see no tag and no circumstantial evidence of a tag (other, perhaps, than the runner's reaction).

Rich Wed Jul 27, 2011 08:59am

Pittsburgh Pirates: Did Jerry Meals Make the Worst Call in Recent Memory? | Bleacher Report

The embedded YouTube video -- go to 4:45 of the video, watch in fullscreen. Here's the look of the glove getting the leg. Let me try this. Immediately go to Full Screen:

‪Worst call in MLB history Pirates vs. Braves 2011‬‏ - YouTube

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Wed Jul 27, 2011 09:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 775398)
Pittsburgh Pirates: Did Jerry Meals Make the Worst Call in Recent Memory? | Bleacher Report

The embedded YouTube video -- go to 4:45 of the video, watch in fullscreen. Here's the look of the glove getting the leg. Let me try this. Immediately go to Full Screen:

‪Worst call in MLB history Pirates vs. Braves 2011‬‏ - YouTube

You can't tell at ALL from that angle....

Rich Wed Jul 27, 2011 09:11am

Stills:

You Be the Judge: Worst Call at Home Plate Ever At End of Pirates-Braves Game?

Said Meals after the game:
“I saw the tag, but he looked like he oléd him and I called him safe for that. I looked at the replays and it appeared he might have got him on the shin area. I’m guessing he might have got him, but when I was out there when it happened I didn’t see a tag."

Jerry needed to move to the right. The swipe tag surprised him.

I can't believe so many people are defending this. Meals calls the runner out, they go to the 20th inning and there's not a single person that says anything. Instead he guesses, incorrectly, and ends a Major League Baseball game.


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