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MD Longhorn Fri Jun 24, 2011 07:24am

This is your All-Star Coach?
 
How in the world is it possible for a coach (2 actually - HC and AssC) to make it through an entire season of baseball, be selected to coach a town's All-Star team, yet not know that if your batter is put out at first base on a routine play, your runner from 3rd can not score, even if he beat the play at 1st?

And how in the world can you argue about it THREE times?

Top of 1, the above occurred, HC argued with me as I tried not to laugh at the absurdity of not knowing this rule at this point of the season. After bottom 1, AssC briefly argues with me as he's heading toward the 3BC box. After top 2, HC comes in again, gets the firm, "Coach we've already talked about this once too many - the rule is the rule let's move on." He then tells the scorekeeper, loud enough for everyone to hear, to put the run on the board and that the umpire is wrong. So now AssC is HC. Scorekeeper puts the run on the board! And now I have a new scorekeeper.

Absurd. Completely absurd. And people wonder where the term RAT comes from.

mbyron Fri Jun 24, 2011 08:02am

Wow, that IS pretty basic.

jdmara Fri Jun 24, 2011 08:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 768275)
How in the world is it possible for a coach (2 actually - HC and AssC) to make it through an entire season of baseball, be selected to coach a town's All-Star team, yet not know that if your batter is put out at first base on a routine play, your runner from 3rd can not score, even if he beat the play at 1st?

And how in the world can you argue about it THREE times?

Top of 1, the above occurred, HC argued with me as I tried not to laugh at the absurdity of not knowing this rule at this point of the season. After bottom 1, AssC briefly argues with me as he's heading toward the 3BC box. After top 2, HC comes in again, gets the firm, "Coach we've already talked about this once too many - the rule is the rule let's move on." He then tells the scorekeeper, loud enough for everyone to hear, to put the run on the board and that the umpire is wrong. So now AssC is HC. Scorekeeper puts the run on the board! And now I have a new scorekeeper.

Absurd. Completely absurd. And people wonder where the term RAT comes from.

You can't make shi...tuff like this up! Reality is the best comedy. Thanks for sharing!

What level of ball is this?

-Josh

Rich Ives Fri Jun 24, 2011 08:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 768275)
How in the world is it possible for a coach (2 actually - HC and AssC) to make it through an entire season of baseball, be selected to coach a town's All-Star team, yet not know that if your batter is put out at first base on a routine play, your runner from 3rd can not score, even if he beat the play at 1st?

And how in the world can you argue about it THREE times?

Top of 1, the above occurred, HC argued with me as I tried not to laugh at the absurdity of not knowing this rule at this point of the season. After bottom 1, AssC briefly argues with me as he's heading toward the 3BC box. After top 2, HC comes in again, gets the firm, "Coach we've already talked about this once too many - the rule is the rule let's move on." He then tells the scorekeeper, loud enough for everyone to hear, to put the run on the board and that the umpire is wrong. So now AssC is HC. Scorekeeper puts the run on the board! And now I have a new scorekeeper.

Absurd. Completely absurd. And people wonder where the term RAT comes from.

The term comes from abusing the rules, not for not knowing them.

mbyron Fri Jun 24, 2011 08:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 768293)
The term comes from abusing the rules, not for not knowing them.

Huh. I thought it came from coaches' superfluous attempts to correct umpires. :rolleyes:

I had a pitcher step off and throw a pick-off out of play. The coach politely asked why I had awarded the runner 3B. When I explained, he said that a pitcher MUST step off before throwing over. "That's not a rule, coach."

Eh, Mike's story is much better.

bob jenkins Fri Jun 24, 2011 09:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 768293)
The term comes from abusing the rules, not for not knowing them.

Yep. abusing, or attempting to cheat.

See TB manager in the past couple of days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 768295)
Huh. I thought it came from coaches' superfluous attempts to correct umpires. :rolleyes:

Nope. Unless by "superfluous" you mean "arguing even though you know the umpire got it right."

Robert E. Harrison Fri Jun 24, 2011 09:07am

Money making opportunity(Not Spam)
 
I had a coach bet me $50 the NFHS rules keep the ball live after a balk is called. I handed him a deposit slip and the money was in my account two weeks later.
Is that unPROFESSIONAL?

MikeStrybel Fri Jun 24, 2011 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison (Post 768311)
I had a coach bet me $50 the NFHS rules keep the ball live after a balk is called. I handed him a deposit slip and the money was in my account two weeks later.
Is that unPROFESSIONAL?

Thanks coach, but there go any NCAA aspirations.

MikeStrybel Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:07am

I had an umpire actually ask for help from the coaching staffs on a call in my son's U11 travel league the other day:

R3 and two outs. The batter swings and the ball goes to the backstop. We yell for him to go to first on the D3K and the runner crosses just before the catcher threw out our runner at first. He kept a scorecard and asked whether the run scored. I had to keep myself from smiling.

spiritump Fri Jun 24, 2011 04:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 768293)
The term comes from abusing the rules, not for not knowing them.

not knowing the rules and arguing about what you do not know is called a
idiratus.

DG Sat Jun 25, 2011 07:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison (Post 768311)
I had a coach bet me $50 the NFHS rules keep the ball live after a balk is called. I handed him a deposit slip and the money was in my account two weeks later.
Is that unPROFESSIONAL?

Deposit slips have account numbers on them and bank numbers? Give him your social too, and he will be you in a few days and wipe you clean.

bob jenkins Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 768620)
Deposit slips have account numbers on them and

No, they don't.

kylejt Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:02am

Well, excuse me for veering this flaming wreck back on the tracks, but the question was about uneducated coaches.

I spent the afternoon helping out three all star teams this afternoon. I went over appeals, tag ups, making the ball live, etc. with a guy who took a team the World Series. Then I worked a three hour practice game, and helped coaches, and catchers with "working" umpires.

Hey, if coaches are clueless, put part of the blame on their local UIC. Maybe he's not part of the solution. Me, I try to give our local teams every adantage I can.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jun 26, 2011 03:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 768649)
No, they don't.

I must differ. Every deposit slip that comes with a checking account has routing numbers and the account number at the bottom.

Sorry, Kyle, for steering this pile of steaming dog doo-doo off the track again!;)

dash_riprock Sun Jun 26, 2011 05:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiritump (Post 768369)
not knowing the rules and arguing about what you do not know is called a
idiratus.

Ignoratus. It's a derivative of ignoranus - a person (coach) who is both stupid and an a$$hole.


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