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Dead Ball?
Situation: 1st base open, 2 strikes on the batter, no outs. Batter swings at pitch and misses for strike three, but the ball strikes him in the arm and deflects away from catcher. BR advances to 1st on the dropped third.
Reading Fed 5-1-1 it says: Ball becomes dead immediately when: a pitch touches a batter or his clothing; 1. The ball becomes dead even though the batter strikes at it Fed 7-2-1(b) says: A strike is charged to the batter when: a pitch is struck at and missed (even if the pitch touches the batter) Based on the above. Should this have been a dead ball, batter's out on swing/miss on 3rd strike? OBR 6.05(f) seems to address this as well. |
Yes. Dead-ball strike, batter cannot advance.
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Please, for got's sake, tell us the umpire didn't give this runner 1st or allow anyone to advance (or worse... say "Hands are part of the bat.")
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I should have protested, but live and learn. |
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Then just calmly say, "That's strike 3 on the swing. He's out." And signal the out. When the coach comes out to ask, just tell him that the swing made strike 3, and the ball became dead when it hit the batter, preventing him from advancing. If he complains about the fairness of that rule, tell him to coach his batters not to swing at pitches that are about to hit them. ;) |
Here's an easy thing to remember.
Always. 100% of the time. No exceptions: When the batter is hit by the pitch (no matter where, and no matter what else was happening), the ball is dead. Period. Start with that, and then rule on the pitch. Ball? HBP? Strike in the zone (had this just 2 weeks ago!)? Swinging strike? But start with --- the ball is dead. The rest becomes obvious after that. |
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Did you actually talk to the umpire and did he actually say he saw the pitch touch the batter? We know the rule, but what we don't know is what the plate umpire saw and judged. Maybe he didn't call time because he didn't see it hit the batter.
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I made sure to let him know that one call didn't win/lose the game for us (us not scoring enough and allowing too many runs took care of that) and emphasized that I call basketball, am always looking to get rules correct, and will do research to ensure I get the correct answer. He was appreciative and said he'd be sure to let his guys know for future reference. |
So the PU didn't know.:rolleyes:
The BU didn't know.:( Their assignor didn't know.:confused: Coach, you have a long season ahead of you. :eek: |
I can't overestimate how sad it makes me that someone has risen to the UIC level and doesn't know this simple principle. Really makes you wonder what other things he doesn't know and should. This is REALLY basic stuff.
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Honestly, someone needs to put a tent on that circus.
What type of ball is this? Little League? PONY? HS? Someone in a position of authority is giving out some bum information. I wonder what other type of nonsense is being dispensed. Edit: You said FED, but maybe it's little kids, with rookie umpires, playing HS rules. If this is HS, then the kids are really being shortchanged by idiots. These fellows are making good money. They should know the basics. Why rookies are allowed to do ANY sort of HS ball is beyond me. Start in LL, and work your way up. Some of the worst umpires I've ever seen are working at the HS level, and there's no reason for it. You should, IMO, have at least two years on the diamond before you work a HS game. The kids deserve it. |
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However, at 8U or 10U - those 20% of the rules that you don't know will ALL pop up, all in your very first game. |
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