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JohnDorian37 Mon May 02, 2011 02:02pm

Feinting to First
 
is there any situation in which a pitcher (without disengaging the plate) can feint to first and it not be a balk (with runners on)?

UmpTTS43 Mon May 02, 2011 02:09pm

There are exactly zero instances where a pitcher can feign to first while in contact with the rubber.

MD Longhorn Mon May 02, 2011 02:13pm

He cannot feign. He can faint (assuming he keeps his feet on the rubber). Not sure what feinting is.

mbyron Mon May 02, 2011 03:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 755221)
He cannot feign. He can faint (assuming he keeps his feet on the rubber). Not sure what feinting is.

'Feint' is the correct spelling, Mike, and as you know by rule F1 may not do it toward occupied 1B without disengaging.

jicecone Mon May 02, 2011 09:11pm

In summary, ........................

NO

DG Mon May 02, 2011 09:12pm

Feign and Feint are both in my Websters and you guys know what he means so not sure why the ticky tack. I don't think I would call a balk for a faint, regardless.

UmpJM Mon May 02, 2011 09:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 755323)
... I don't think I would call a balk for a faint, regardless.

DG,

Concur.

I had "TIME" as soon as I saw him starting to faint - which was before anyone else noticed.

Concur on the "feign and feint" as well.

JM

yawetag Mon May 02, 2011 11:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 755221)
He cannot feign. He can faint (assuming he keeps his feet on the rubber). Not sure what feinting is.

I think if a pitcher faints at all while on the rubber and runners on base, we're getting a balk. And a new pitcher.

justanotherblue Mon May 02, 2011 11:59pm

Only when the ball wasn't in play, and never when he faints.

dash_riprock Tue May 03, 2011 07:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 755221)
He can faint (assuming he keeps his feet on the rubber).

Now that would be a neat trick.

yawetag Tue May 03, 2011 08:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 755423)
Now that would be a neat trick.

Dash, if it happened, would you balk him for starting and stopping? I guess if the ball fell out of his glove and didn't cross the foul line, that would work, too.

Forest Ump Tue May 03, 2011 10:19am

I'm not letting him play the rest of the game if he does that. Doctors note or not.;)

MD Longhorn Tue May 03, 2011 10:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 755323)
Feign and Feint are both in my Websters and you guys know what he means so not sure why the ticky tack. I don't think I would call a balk for a faint, regardless.

Failed attempt at humor. My bad!

celebur Tue May 03, 2011 01:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 755477)
Failed attempt at humor. My bad!

Failed attempt? Or feigned attempt? ;)

Coach Dykhoff Tue May 03, 2011 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37 (Post 755216)
is there any situation in which a pitcher (without disengaging the plate) can feint to first and it not be a balk (with runners on)?

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MLB RULEBOOK

8.05 If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when—

(b) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first base and fails to complete the throw;

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