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njdevs00cup Tue Apr 19, 2011 04:36pm

Restricting a Player to the Bench v. Ejecting
 
Just wanted to get your feedback regarding an ejection in a high school game.

As a defensive player was leaving the field (following a hard, but legal slide into second base), he yelled, "Show some f***ing respect!" in the direction of the offensive team. He clearly yelled this loud enough for both the offensive team and spectators to hear, as both reacted to the comment. The defensive player who made the comment was ejected from the game. In your judgement, was this the correct decision or should he have been restricted to the bench? Thank you.

Rich Tue Apr 19, 2011 04:42pm

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Originally Posted by njdevs00cup (Post 751872)
Just wanted to get your feedback regarding an ejection in a high school game.

As a defensive player was leaving the field (following a hard, but legal slide into second base), he yelled, "Show some f***ing respect!" in the direction of the offensive team. He clearly yelled this loud enough for both the offensive team and spectators to hear, as both reacted to the comment. The defensive player who made the comment was ejected from the game. In your judgement, was this the correct decision or should he have been restricted to the bench? Thank you.

Unless your state has specific instructions that allow restriction of players, it's not an option under NFHS rules.

Ump Rube Tue Apr 19, 2011 04:47pm

I cannot think off the top of my head any situations that are best served by restricting a player/coach over ejecting.

I do so when stated to by the rules, but just about anything that you would do to warrant a reaction, warrants an ejection.

jwwashburn Tue Apr 19, 2011 04:47pm

As Rich said, there might be a provisin in some states for restriction to the bench...

An F bomb yelled at the opposing team in a High School game?

Why in the world would you want that kid near the field for the rest of the game? Ejection is the right call.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Apr 19, 2011 05:00pm

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Originally Posted by ump rube (Post 751875)
i cannot think off the top of my head any situations that are best served by restricting a player/coach over ejecting.

I do so when stated to by the rules, but just about anything that you would do to warrant a reaction, warrants an ejection.

+ 1

mbyron Tue Apr 19, 2011 06:57pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 751874)
Unless your state has specific instructions that allow restriction of players, it's not an option under NFHS rules.

+1

I've never heard of a state that allows restricting a player.

UmpJM Tue Apr 19, 2011 07:08pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 751908)
+1

I've never heard of a state that allows restricting a player.

Well, other than for being an illegal sub or CR.

JM

Rich Tue Apr 19, 2011 07:13pm

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Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 751915)
Well, other than for being an illegal sub or CR.

JM

You simply can't help being pedantic, can you? :rolleyes:

UmpJM Tue Apr 19, 2011 07:24pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 751917)
You simply can't help being pedantic, can you? :rolleyes:

I plead guilty and beg the court's indulgence. :o

JM

Rich Tue Apr 19, 2011 07:39pm

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Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 751920)
I plead guilty and beg the court's indulgence. :o

JM

Eh, I'm just cranky looking at the snow/sleet/hail on the ground.

BretMan Tue Apr 19, 2011 08:56pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 751876)
Why in the world would you want that kid near the field for the rest of the game? Ejection is the right call.

We're specifically told that for high school ball that an ejected player has to stay in the dugout. You can't send him off "out of sight" like you can a coach because we're dealing with students that can't be left on their own unsupervised.

I might not personally want him near the field, but I don't really have much choice in the matter.

DG Tue Apr 19, 2011 09:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup (Post 751872)
Just wanted to get your feedback regarding an ejection in a high school game.

As a defensive player was leaving the field (following a hard, but legal slide into second base), he yelled, "Show some f***ing respect!" in the direction of the offensive team. He clearly yelled this loud enough for both the offensive team and spectators to hear, as both reacted to the comment. The defensive player who made the comment was ejected from the game. In your judgement, was this the correct decision or should he have been restricted to the bench? Thank you.

Here in my state, there are ejections (7 things) and restrictions (everything else). Ejections come with stiff penalties for players and coaches and form to fill out and submit for umpires. Restrictions to dugout are that game only and no forms to fill out for umpires. This player's actions would result in ejection, profanity one of the 7.

jwwashburn Tue Apr 19, 2011 09:23pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 751938)
We're specifically told that for high school ball that an ejected player has to stay in the dugout. You can't send him off "out of sight" like you can a coach because we're dealing with students that can't be left on their own unsupervised.

I might not personally want him near the field, but I don't really have much choice in the matter.

I have not done HS ball in several years. I guess I was remembering coaches. I mostly tossed them. A few kids that I ejected throughout the years were removed by the Athletic Director/Principal, etc...I had a few kids involved fights sent to sit on the bus by their coach.

DG Tue Apr 19, 2011 09:49pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 751952)
I had a few kids involved fights sent to sit on the bus by their coach.

A coach would have to sit on bus with him here. Or, parent take home. Assume away game since there is a bus, but some home games are played at sites both teams arrive by bus. A school administrator could also sit on bus with the ejected player. They are not to be left unattended.

jwwashburn Tue Apr 19, 2011 09:52pm

Bus driver was there...they always sat there for the whole DH...

Forest Ump Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:28am

Our policy is they stay in the dugout when ejected unless a parent or guardian can take them away. This came about from an incident where an ejected kid vandalized an umpire’s car. He saw the shirts hanging in the back.

ODJ Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:48am

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 751960)
Bus driver was there...they always sat there for the whole DH...

The bus driver is not authorized school personnel. He/she is an independent contractor, just like you.

GoodwillRef Wed Apr 20, 2011 06:00am

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Originally Posted by njdevs00cup (Post 751872)
Just wanted to get your feedback regarding an ejection in a high school game.

As a defensive player was leaving the field (following a hard, but legal slide into second base), he yelled, "Show some f***ing respect!" in the direction of the offensive team. He clearly yelled this loud enough for both the offensive team and spectators to hear, as both reacted to the comment. The defensive player who made the comment was ejected from the game. In your judgement, was this the correct decision or should he have been restricted to the bench? Thank you.

Dump him...there is the bus or the school...have a nice walk...DOPE!

jwwashburn Wed Apr 20, 2011 08:32am

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Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 751983)
The bus driver is not authorized school personnel. He/she is an independent contractor, just like you.

In some states he is, in some states he is a School empoloyee. If the people who are responsible for little Jimmy are getting little out of my sight, why would I care where little Jimmy went?

MD Longhorn Wed Apr 20, 2011 09:06am

I think that if I were given the choice (and often, by rule, I am not!), I would want to restrict for administrative matters that "warrant" ejection, and eject for anything malicious, aggressive, reactive, etc (including the OP).

By current rule, the OP is an easy EJ (bus, not dugout).

yawetag Wed Apr 20, 2011 09:09am

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 752061)
In some states he is, in some states he is a School empoloyee. If the people who are responsible for little Jimmy are getting little out of my sight, why would I care where little Jimmy went?

When I was in high school, one of our coaches was the bus driver. It was cheaper for him to get his license than it was to hire a driver when we needed one.

In band, we had 5 parents receive their bus licenses to drive us to competitions.

Matt Wed Apr 20, 2011 09:59am

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I like the idea of the bus. With her as the driver, players will do their best to avoid going there.

Adam Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:32am

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 752061)
In some states he is, in some states he is a School empoloyee. If the people who are responsible for little Jimmy are getting little out of my sight, why would I care where little Jimmy went?

This can vary even within states. Here in CO, some schools hire the drivers as employees, others contract the entire operation.

Simply The Best Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:58am

Ejection. Showing the player respect in the process, of course. :D

MD Longhorn Wed Apr 20, 2011 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 751983)
The bus driver is not authorized school personnel. He/she is an independent contractor, just like you.

You know this to be true for the entire country? Stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, did you? :)

Not true here.

DG Wed Apr 20, 2011 08:31pm

Often it is the coach who drives the bus. But I don't care. If I EJ it is coach responsibility for the player out of the dugout unless a parent or administrator takes charge of the player. If coach remains and tells me parent or administrator has him then I ask him to repeat what he just said while I have my notebook out to write that down, and I am satisfied.


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