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tjones1 Mon Apr 11, 2011 09:54am

Rays / White Sox
 
Why did Maddon get ejected?

For some reason, I can't find video of the play.

Anyone have it?

Thanks.

johnnyg08 Mon Apr 11, 2011 09:57am

Maddon didn't like it that they changed their call to the correct call. I'm sure he made it personal, in fact, from the video I saw Maddon ejected the umpire crew. Now what? :-)

mbyron Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:06am

Here's the footage, in which you can't see much of anything:

Rays manager Joe Maddon was ejected in the top of the sixth inning of Sunday's contest | raysbaseball.com: News

And Maddon's comments:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aANSdj5t6ZM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

dash_riprock Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:36am

Wow. I have an out too, but it was right in front of U1 and pretty much behind the rest of the crew. I can certainly understand Maddon's anguish.

MrUmpire Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 748966)
Why did Maddon get ejected?

For some reason, I can't find video of the play.

Anyone have it?

Thanks.

Making a personal comment regarding DeMuth. It was an easy toss.

Call didn't go hs way. He had a decision to make to stay or go and made sure that he went.

GoodwillRef Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:16pm

Maybe Maddon didn't like the first base umpires goatee?

mbyron Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 749002)
Wow. I have an out too, but it was right in front of U1 and pretty much behind the rest of the crew. I can certainly understand Maddon's anguish.

F1 leaves the frame right after apparently gloving the ball. The next shot shows the ball on the ground. I really have no idea what the call should have been.

Doug Eddings strikes again, though. :rolleyes:

GA Umpire Mon Apr 11, 2011 01:23pm

This will make the PITA umpires happy. The umpires "got the call right".

Not sure what U1 saw. Maybe he looked away too quick and when he looked back, the ball is on the ground.

The eventual call was correct. The method to get there wasn't. U1 should have made his call and dealt with it. I wonder if there is some mandate for these kind of plays or did U1 realize his mess up and used the conference to get out of it.

Or, did he have a bad angle due to the pressure of the initial play? I don't know but it didn't look good at all.

MikeStrybel Mon Apr 11, 2011 01:44pm

In January, the NCAA's Tom Hiler spent a good bit of time explaining the voluntary release of the ball at first base and the need for umpires to watch for it rather than stare at the base (as has been habit for the past few decades). Did Floyd exhibit control? I know this is OBR versus NCAA (the rule is different regarding control). Just asking.

zm1283 Mon Apr 11, 2011 03:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 749126)
In January, the NCAA's Tom Hiler spent a good bit of time explaining the voluntary release of the ball at first base and the need for umpires to watch for it rather than stare at the base (as has been habit for the past few decades). Did Floyd exhibit control? I know this is OBR versus NCAA (the rule is different regarding control). Just asking.

I saw the play on the MLB website and they replayed it several times. It looked to me like Floyd (F1) had control and the ball came out as he went to pull it out of his glove with his free hand.

I too thought they got it right, but went about it the wrong way. Eddings screwed the pooch on this one.

ozzy6900 Mon Apr 11, 2011 06:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 749002)
Wow. I have an out too, but it was right in front of U1 and pretty much behind the rest of the crew. I can certainly understand Maddon's anguish.

I agree, U1 is the only one who really had a look at the play. This is why I hate the "board meetings". U1 moved into foul territory and was looking right into F1's glove so why did he go for help? No one else had the view on the play. Was it just to appease the Oz Man? Personally, I don't think that was dropped on the transfer.

ODJ Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:51pm

The crew should wear the same shades.
:cool:

Simply The Best Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA Umpire (Post 749105)
This will make the Good Guy umpires happy. The umpires "got the call right".

Sure does. Ethics before comfortableness.
Quote:

The eventual call was correct. The method to get there wasn't.
Slap on a pair of cahoonas and get the call right.

The game, the players and most of all, you should require it.

At the end of the day, when you are stripping your gear and heading out, if you have left your self-esteem and your honesty on the field, the postgame brewskis will only subdue your shame for the night.

MrUmpire Tue Apr 12, 2011 01:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 749126)
In January, the NCAA's Tom Hiler spent a good bit of time explaining the voluntary release of the ball at first base and the need for umpires to watch for it rather than stare at the base (as has been habit for the past few decades).

In what country? In the 1990''s Dave Yeast, then NCAA umpire coordinator was teaching the same technique the pro schools were teaching, "look up and find the ball before making your call."

MikeStrybel Tue Apr 12, 2011 07:52am

Anyone who has watched pro ball for the past couple decades has seen the first base umpire stare at the base after making his out call. Anyone who has watched the NCAA highlight videos over the past decade or so has seen umpires who emulate this behavior. Despite admonitions not to do it, they still do.

Tom Hiler made a point of emphasizing what he wants to see us do - and what Doug Eddings did. That is the current directive; he seeks to correct what others have not done so far. In pro ball this is an out. For current NCAA, this play would probably be viewed as a safe call.


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